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Speaker 1
Yeah. What a shocker that you said that.

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Speaker 2
Yeah. No, I mean, it’s been it’s been a small hiatus for us. You know, we talked about on the podcast before how working in the hunting industry isn’t always, you know, sitting in a tree stand and and hunting deer and doing all that stuff.

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Speaker 2
It’s it’s work and it’s a business. And, you know, it’s just the time of the year for us where we were super busy and you were traveling around the country.

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Speaker 1
So yeah, a lot of people that hunter hunters probably don’t realize that for the hunting industry, January, February and March are really heavy trade show season and it makes a lot of sense. Hunters from, you know, hunting companies, they’re all it’s just still kind of fresh in everybody’s mind.

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Speaker 1
But I still a little excited about it. They’re still talking about their hunting season. So not only these local consumer shows like the one that we were at last week, but even industry shows like the one in Louisville with the Atta and Shot Show out in Vegas, which I did not get to go to, I haven’t been

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Speaker 1
for a few years, so it’s great to be back on our calendar. But yeah, I was in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 2
So it’s like ten days is oh my.

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Speaker 1
Gosh, nine days. I was only there a couple of days. I would love to have a booth there. I think we would do well for a few days. I think every day would be productive. But nine days is it’s it’s a.

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Speaker 2
Lot of more than.

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Speaker 1
I want to pay for and it’s certainly more than I want to attend. I mean, I just I don’t sit on Fridays and I like trade shows. I actually I was asking our friend Jake from JD Calls over the weekend, we’re at a trade show.

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Speaker 1
They’re here in India, in Indy. And I said, Do you like this? And he said, I do. And I said, I really do too. I like stand near, I like talking to people, but nine days is a little, much too.

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Speaker 2
Much of a good thing, I think.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. So the reason that I’ve been going to trade shows and then I went from Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, home for a day and then to Portland, Oregon. So I literally crisscrossed the country in a matter of about 36 hours.

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Speaker 1
The Northwest Pacific Sportsman Show was in Portland, and it was really pretty cool. I did a little blurb that we put out on social from there, but different me. And so they do hunt some deer out there, but mostly it’s elk and it’s bigger game.

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Speaker 1
So I’m at a trade show just like all the ones I’ve ever been to, except there was not a trail camera or tree stand manufacturer anywhere in this whole.

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Speaker 2
It’s got to be a little.

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Speaker 1
Weird convention center. It was just strange. I’m like, I started and they’re like, Who does that? Nobody sits in a tree, which I understand. Yeah, but it was a good show. Back to the Harrisburg Show, though. The reason I actually went to both shows was to start talking to guides and outfitters directly about our new Guides and

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Outfitters program in the Harrisburg Show. All the guides and outfitters are in one area. I’m going to guess there was between three and 400. And so it’s real easy for me to, without a booth, just kind of bounce from outfitter.

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Speaker 1
Outfitter. It’s like anything else though, you know, you have a little apprehension like, you know, these guys are there to sell their hunts, necessarily be sold. So I was very respectful and very aware of the fact that I’m kind of approaching them.

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Speaker 1
But the fact is they’re there to do business. And I was very pleasantly surprised that when I would start talking about, you know, hey, listen, this is what we did for hunting lease insurance, and now this is kind of what we’re doing for guides and outfitters.

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Speaker 1
It’s the same thing. Save you some money. The reception I received was really tremendous. I mean, to a one, they were like, Oh, really? Well, here, how does this work? What do I do? And of course, you know, we don’t have long conversations, but I’ve emailed more since we got back and it’s just yeah, I was very

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Speaker 1
, very happy.

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Speaker 2
And I know you had a kind of expressed internal here in the office. You didn’t want to feel like a door to door salesman at the trade show saying, hey, here’s our program, here’s what we can do for you.

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Speaker 2
And then moving five feet down the lines. And here’s our program. Here’s what we can do for you. But it sounds like it sounds like the guys were willing to have a conversation and they were, you know, surprised by what we were able to offer them.

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Speaker 2
So it looks like it’s all good.

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Speaker 1
Well, there’s a confirmation what we talked about, you know, we don’t know until we get out. But we had heard and we talked to enough guides and outfitters like, you know, I’m only going to make X amount of dollars this year and my liability insurance is 20% of that stuff.

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Speaker 1
It makes it really difficult. And again, you know, and it’s something we’re going to talk about here in a little bit. But our mission, our goal is to make hunting more affordable. And if that means helping guides and outfitters.

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Speaker 1
Keep their operating costs down. Thus they can make it cheaper to take people home. You know, not everybody has the time. We have to invest in hunting on the fall. Some people have four or five days. They want to introduce one of their kids or a friend.

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Speaker 1
They want to come along. Well, if it’s, you know, $8,000 for five or six day hunt because their operating costs are so high, it’s not gonna work out. So. So we’ve done our best. But, yeah, I was. I like to have I like to have a sincere conversation, and it’s very difficult to act.

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Speaker 1
Oh, that is so impressive. I’m just so. It’s so neat. Really cool. And then I say the exact same thing. Next door. Next door. So yeah, it was it really went really well, though. I was very happy with.

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Speaker 2
The way it went. So these shows you’ve been going to you’ve kind of been walking around, you bought your badge, don’t have a booth walking around, introducing yourself to people. Do you feel like that’s the for for what our program is to get the word out there and reach as many people?

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Speaker 2
Is that the way to do it or do you think a booth is a solution?

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Speaker 1
I don’t. I think a booth is a solution. Harrisburg’s an anomaly. It’s different. We’re not going to Harrisburg with a booth. We just we just nine days is too much of that time of year. We’re actually busy here in the office, so we can’t do that but know what we’re going to do going forward as we’ll be

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at more shows with our booth. People can stop in, um, they can ask us questions, they can, they can purchase whatever it is they need to purchase. Or maybe they just need some, you know, guidance and they will have two people and one of us will probably make the rounds and introduce ourselves and actually introduce folks to

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come over to our booth. So when you come on over and, you know, we can talk when you get a chance on your on, you know, at your convenience. So I think that’s probably what we’ll do going forward.

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Speaker 1
And in fact, we I just mentioned we already paid for the booth in Fort Worth, Dallas, the hunters extravaganza, the Texas Trophy Hunter Show. Yeah. So we will be there. Texas is our number two or three state in hunting leases, and I think it’s our number one state and guides and outfitters already.

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Speaker 1
So yeah, it makes sense for us to be there in a booth and we will be there. And it sounds like me and you.

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Speaker 2
Yeah, August. I think.

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Speaker 1
So. Do you set all the stuff up?

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Speaker 2
We’ll figure it.

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Speaker 1
Out. We’ll have a podcast from there then. Perfect. Yeah, that’ll be cool. Almost. Do you guys wanna go to Dallas for a while?

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Speaker 2
I know Connor’s over here, like. Yeah, yeah. Let’s go. Cool. So let’s jump into it. I mean, we’ve been talking a lot over the last couple of week. It’s not like you and I haven’t been talking over the last year.

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Speaker 1
Yeah, we can get in here.

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Speaker 2
We get in here and get on camera and have conversations. And, um, you know, one of the big things that we’re going to be rolling out here in the next couple of weeks is, is our survey. And we’re putting a lot of work into that.

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Speaker 2
We’re trying to do this thing the right way. But one of the one of the main points that we’re trying to get across is we don’t think the hunting industry, even though the declining numbers on the Fish and Wildlife Service report shows a decrease, we don’t think it’s dying necessarily.

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Speaker 2
So.

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Speaker 1
Right.

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Speaker 2
This survey is either going to prove us right or prove is wrong. But either way, we’ll figure out some answers, I think.

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Speaker 1
Would you say hunting or leasing?

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Speaker 2
Hunting in general? Yeah, but our survey is going to touch on more of the leasing aspect of it.

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Speaker 1
Absolutely. Yeah. We take a drink. Oh, it’s. Yeah. For those of you listening, I know I absolutely too much and I try not to. So yeah. Here internally we’re playing games when I say that. So yeah, it’s, um, nobody has really tried to ever put their finger on the pulse of leasing numbers, of the attitudes of leasing

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Speaker 1
. How much have they changed? I know they’ve changed. Obviously, we see that here we grow every year. So the attitudes surrounding leasing have changed. Um, leasing hunting rights is now not only accepted way to hunt, but it’s, we’ve proven it to be a, a way to preserve habitat.

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Speaker 1
And so yeah, we’re going to send this resume or resume. We’re in a survey out, we’re going to make it live on, on a particular site and we’re gonna drive traffic to it. And we want as many people as possible whether you lease or don’t.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. Whether you like it or don’t like it or love it, you do it, you hate it. Whatever. We want your opinion because it’s not all leasing, but it’s the majority of it is. And then we want to see where we’re at.

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Speaker 1
Let’s take the temperature. How do we make, you know, not just marketing decisions internally, but as a as a group of of of businesses and conservationists and sportsmen? And how do we make decisions if we don’t know how many acres are being leased around the country?

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Speaker 1
How much on average will you buy or should you expect to pay?

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Speaker 2
I think an important point was you said it’s not just for guys or groups of hunters or whatever who already lease. If you hunt, if you want public, if you hunt private for free, you that you don’t pay for whatever the case is.

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Speaker 2
We want you to fill this out. We just want to hear your feedback. We’ll take all the information we get. We’ll put it together in a report. We’ll just make it available. We’re not going to the whole purpose is this is just a fact finding mission to try to get a pulse on leasing in America right now

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Speaker 2
. That’s the only.

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Speaker 1
Goal. And we will be as objective as possible. Sure. We’re not trying to to prove ourselves right or to to, you know, skew numbers. Yeah, we’ll get an objective number. Now, the cool thing about it is that we are going to incentivize that by picking three or four.

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Speaker 1
Not for profit charities. And every time we get a survey completed, the last question will be which of these not for profits would you like for us to support? We will donate a dollar in your name. So, you know, we donate up to whatever, five, six, $7,000.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. Know, we’d be hopeful. That would be great. Yeah, we got that many responses. But you know, I’m excited about the survey because I also think it’s, you know, it’ll prove that we are that we’re the leaders in this.

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Speaker 1
Sure. We’re happy to take that that on. You know, this is Dr. Phil Witty where he always says, you know, everybody needs there needs to be a hero. Well, this industry needs a leader and it’s us.

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Speaker 2
Yeah. And that goes hand in hand kind of with our our tagline, I guess we’ve been rolling out in 2019 your hunting lease resource and we really want to be able to, you know, the front porch kid has been since we started doing this podcast, the downloads have just gone up like crazy.

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Speaker 2
I get an email notifications all the time about new downloads of it, and it’s just another thing that we can offer to be your hunting lease resource. So the survey is just the next step in that we just want to it’s another piece, it’s another whatever you want to call it.

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Speaker 2
We’re just going to be the resource. And if you want to take the information that we gather in the survey and use it how you will, and that’s what we want you to do.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. And it’s free. You know, we’ve said all the time it’s, it’s a free download and it’s on the home page now of our website. So let’s go the home page, download it and good luck.

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Speaker 2
Yep.

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Speaker 1
You know, as they say. So a couple things I want. I walked around our lease the other day and I was telling I told you that I was as I drove away from my house, I was like, Oh, I forgot my rifle.

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Speaker 1
And I was right here, the rifle and the ATV, just in case I saw a coyote and. Yeah, I.

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Speaker 2
Figured you would.

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Speaker 1
Yeah, I’m a few blocks away, and I’m like, I’m already. I don’t have to go back, so the guy won’t. I mean, I’m not there 10 minutes, and this guy just runs across a field two or 300 yards.

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Speaker 1
I had plenty of time to get on him had I had a gun and I didn’t. Kind of a mangy looking thing, but I think we’ve got a problem down there. Yeah, and I’m happy to help take care of it.

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Speaker 1
It reminded me, though, something happened for here for six weeks ago in Indianapolis, a wolf coyote hybrid was spotted in broad ripple. Now, for those of you are not from Indianapolis, broad Ripple is a artsy slash liberal. Not in a bad way area.

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Speaker 1
Yep. I enjoy it. I think you enjoy it.

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Speaker 2
I went to school down there.

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Speaker 1
Yeah, I really do. Great restaurants, really cool stuff. But the people in Broad Ripple might not be as well versed in. Coyotes, I suppose. Yeah. The outdoors. And I’m going to read this is a pretty short little article, but yeah.

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Speaker 1
A Wolf Coyote hybrid. I wish I read this without these words. Wolf Coyote Hybrid has some people in the broader community on edge after a video of the animal running around the streets in broad daylight made the rounds.

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Speaker 1
In the end, the Department of Natural Resources and an Indiana wildlife management expert said the animal in the video is real. Of course it’s real. It’s a video. It’s not fake.

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Speaker 2
It’s a real.

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Speaker 1
What? But it’s not a wired. And that’s what they’re calling hero Wyatt or Wyatt. It’s just this is the dumbest thing I’ve heard in a long time. They said they’ve seen the video. It’s likely a cross between a wolf and a coyote.

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Speaker 1
So I reached out to the reporter and I will tell you his or her name or the station that it was on and asked for the name of the person from ID DNR that confirmed this Wyatt. Ignored? Nothing.

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Speaker 1
I got nothing back. So then I was thinking the Indiana Wildlife Management sounds official. It’s a company. It’s a guy that, you know, he’s a pest control. Probably really good at it. But they make it sound like these are authorities and they’re not.

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Speaker 2
But also that guy is probably for profit too, if he saves 50% of his pest control.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. So I mean, basically, allegedly you have this wired and I mean, hell, that’s that’s one step away from being a werewolf. Right.

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Speaker 2
We have one full moon away.

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Speaker 1
From the rare sighting. Has people living here worried that the animal may become aggressive. When I noticed the tail, I was like, okay, I’ve got to film this again. Pet peeve. There’s no film in your phone, ma’am. Am I.

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Speaker 2
Right? Yeah, you’re right.

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Speaker 1
No one is going to believe that this thing is this big. So I just whipped out my camera. She was running errands. I kind of tracked it down an alley. So the werewolf chaser chases this thing down an alley.

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Speaker 1
He’s so huge. And I’m like, okay, if it gets into someone’s yard, I need to be proactive. Then it kind of lunged at my car from behind the bush, and I was like, Okay, I’m done, I’m done. I just find this.

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Speaker 1
It’s hilarious that in this day and age, somebody chased it down an alley and then it hid behind a bush and then lunged at her at her car before she was like, I’m out of here. There’s a couple other funny things.

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Speaker 1
I won’t share all that stuff with you other than these two, these are three tips on what you can do if you happen to run into a wired perfect. Yeah. Don’t run or the animal will chase you. Okay.

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Speaker 1
I I’ve never. I’ve just glanced at a coyote, and. And that’s what we’re talking about. The coyote? Yeah. It’s just a coyote killing his way in the city. Sure. And it’s.

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Speaker 2
We have all we. I mean, we have them all over Noblesville, too, and freaks people out to the point where people in our neighborhood group will talk about, you know, you it’s you should watch your kids at the bus stop because the four or five kids there, a coyote may just come up and take them all out

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Speaker 2
and they’re they’re gone forever. Yeah.

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Speaker 1
The other thing is make loud noises and don’t stare into its eyes because I guess you turn into a pillar of Yeah, I don’t know, stone or something because that can be a sign of aggression and the last thing which actually does.

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Speaker 2
But making, making loud noises isn’t a sign of aggression.

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Speaker 1
No. Yeah, right. If you do happen to see this anywhere, any others, contact your local animal control operator. And that’s what that’s what the experts say. They they said, oh, but paying for this will have to come out of locals pocket to get rid of it.

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Speaker 1
As Natural Resources said, it does not have the funding to catch the animal. So apparently the idea and ah, I don’t believe this, by the way, doesn’t have the money to catch a wolf running rampant around a neighborhood.

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Speaker 2
Look, I thought I had some good marketing ideas, but this is actually genius. If you think about it, you create this wired for it’s big and mean. You can’t look it in the eyes. So you should call me.

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Speaker 2
Hire me. I’ll take care of it. There you go.

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Speaker 1
That’s going at your own expense, though.

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Speaker 2
You got no issue. So that’s hilarious.

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Speaker 1
That’s just kind of ridiculous. Just shows you how how bad the media can be.

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Speaker 2
We had the we had the picture. That was it. They thought it was like a cougar or something. Was that in Indianapolis? And it just turned out to be a fat housecat. Did you see.

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Speaker 1
That? I have not seen that. But, you know, we’ve had reports of cougars around. Yeah, somebody we know thinks they saw one. Yep. And by the way, pretty, pretty reliable source.

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Speaker 2
Yeah.

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Speaker 1
Here’s my opinion on mountain lions and cougars in Indiana. There’s a lot of trail cameras around here.

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Speaker 2
You think you’d see.

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Speaker 1
More this many pictures of an action? I may have seen one and there might be one, but I mean, yeah, there are trail cameras everywhere here. Yeah. I can’t imagine one not coming across there like this.

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Speaker 2
Squads are on Wayne trails.

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Speaker 1
That’s exactly what it is. I’m not saying them LA doesn’t exist. I’m just saying.

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Speaker 2
I’ve never seen.

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Speaker 1
One. You know, let me see one.

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Speaker 2
That’s funny.

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Speaker 1
So I’ve got something I’d like to kind of talk about. And this is. This is I just wrote down some notes here. More questions than answers. I have no answers here. We’ve talked a little bit about the numbers of hunters dwindling.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. And again, this could happen in 21 when the Fish and Wildlife Service takes their their survey again. Well, they might be back up, right? Yes. And this will all for nothing. It just got me wondering about I was reading something about antler restrictions.

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Speaker 1
Are we making it too hard for people or are we making it unenjoyable for people that want to get into the sport? And I use antler restrictions as a as an example. But, you know, here in Indiana, we went to the one buck rule.

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Speaker 1
I was don’t quote me, but I’m going to say this was around oh five, maybe even a little sooner than that. I was absolutely against it. From one book rule, you used to be able in Indiana to kill a book with your bow and a book with a firearm.

00:19:02:19 – 00:19:18:10
Speaker 1
They decided to go to the one book rule. The reason they gave was to spread the harvest out, give more people the opportunity to harvest books. What I believe they really meant was we want grow bigger bucks. Sure, we want more books to survive so that we can grow and shoot bigger deer.

00:19:18:22 – 00:19:28:00
Speaker 1
Fair enough. I think it’s done that. I think it’s done just that. I see more I see bigger books now than I did ten years ago. You know, I feel like yeah, I.

00:19:28:00 – 00:19:33:21
Speaker 2
Feel like there’s a consensus when you talk about states that are hidden gems. Indiana’s always in that conversation.

00:19:33:21 – 00:19:34:09
Speaker 1
Now it.

00:19:34:09 – 00:19:36:19
Speaker 2
Is. And that has to be a part of it.

00:19:36:20 – 00:19:48:20
Speaker 1
Well, rightfully so, you know, but you can only kill one buck. So, you know, it’s neither here nor there. The one thing that I will say this that that really rubbed me wrong then was there’s only one type of hunter paying this price.

00:19:49:04 – 00:19:57:14
Speaker 1
And that’s the one that hunts both. Right? You only hunt archery. You still only kill your one buck. If you only hunt guns, you get one buck. So.

00:19:57:14 – 00:19:59:19
Speaker 2
But a guy like you who would take advantage of.

00:20:00:00 – 00:20:13:24
Speaker 1
Yeah, the diamonds, the guys that are more spending money on gas, food, hotels, licenses, all that. We were the only ones that paid this. This debt. Yeah, for everybody else. Fair enough. I won’t. I won’t whine too much about that because I guess that I kind of support it now.

00:20:14:07 – 00:20:34:11
Speaker 1
And that kind of goes to what I’ve seen in my own self as kind of this evolution, this, you know, I’ve really evolved over the last 15 years from wanting to see deer, then wanting to kill whatever deer I saw, then being a little picky to now being really more interested in conservation, you know.

00:20:34:11 – 00:20:50:22
Speaker 1
And it’s something when you go through a hunter. Ed Course, they actually talk about these five stages and boy, if they’re not right, I mean, I am really more interested in planning a food plot and having big deer come to a deer, come to it, and then hopefully taking the trophy off of that in a couple of

00:20:50:22 – 00:21:06:05
Speaker 1
doses. So sure. But back to my original point is I just want with antler restrictions now, you know, you can only kill one buck here. Is it? How hard is it for people to get into this? Like, Well, I want to go, but I saw a bug that was not big enough.

00:21:06:06 – 00:21:18:02
Speaker 1
I mean, after all, I spent money on licenses and clothes and a weapon, and I took time off work. And I went down there and I got in position and I finally saw a deer and I couldn’t shoot him because it had, you know, antler restrictions.

00:21:18:18 – 00:21:36:20
Speaker 1
Again, remember what I call this? Be more questions than answers. Yeah. But if you look at one of these stories, find this real quick. I noticed that the antler restrictions in Michigan started about the same time as the Hunter.

00:21:36:20 – 00:21:37:23
Speaker 1
Numbers started to dwindle.

00:21:39:24 – 00:21:40:27
Speaker 2
What year was that? Do you.

00:21:40:27 – 00:21:44:20
Speaker 1
Remember? Okay. So I printed off too much stuff.

00:21:44:21 – 00:22:02:03
Speaker 2
Look, I don’t, you know, I don’t know. Like you said, this is more questions and answers to try to have a conversation about it. I know for me personally, I’m so inexperienced in whitetail hunting that if there was an antler restriction here in Indiana, I would have to have I don’t think I’d be able to hunt by

00:22:02:03 – 00:22:18:25
Speaker 2
myself because I wouldn’t trust myself to have the judgment, the knowledge, to make the right judgment, saying I can or I cannot shoot this deer based on the size. I know look, I know how to measure it, but frankly, I kind of don’t you know, I’m not one of those guys who can look at a deer and

00:22:18:25 – 00:22:34:24
Speaker 2
go, Oh, that’s a 135 or that’s a 140. That’s just not I’m not there yet. So it just makes. We’ve talked about the the barrier to entry for the sport. It just makes that barrier to entry that much greater because it’s that much more knowledge that I’ve not accumulated yet that I can’t put into practice.

00:22:35:02 – 00:22:39:29
Speaker 2
And it makes and I’ve said this before, it makes me kind of go, Oh, I start like that. That’s too much.

00:22:40:05 – 00:22:57:21
Speaker 1
That might be where we’re at. And I don’t know that that’s a bad thing because this and I do want to read I found this real quick. So example of how terrible mandatory point restrictions are is for managing deer in Michigan is even more obvious in the U.P. where those regulations were implemented region wide during 2008.

00:22:59:07 – 00:23:19:17
Speaker 1
The U.P. book Harvest for All Seasons was estimated by the DNR at 57, roughly 58,000 during 2007. The book Kill Estimate was down to 17,000 by 2015. I mean, that’s tremendous. 100 numbers in that region also plummeted from more than 100000 to 77000 in 2016.

00:23:19:18 – 00:23:25:26
Speaker 1
They’re down 25% in Hunter numbers, correlating with the exact same time as the restrictions.

00:23:25:27 – 00:23:27:28
Speaker 2
But we have no way of knowing the average score of.

00:23:28:17 – 00:23:40:28
Speaker 1
No kill doing that. A lot of times in this particular instance, sometimes you have a the the antler restriction is the the spread of the antlers. It’s never the score. The score. Okay, the spread up to 15 inches has to be more than 15 inches.

00:23:41:04 – 00:23:41:29
Speaker 1
And that’s tough.

00:23:42:08 – 00:23:42:25
Speaker 2
As tough.

00:23:42:26 – 00:23:52:12
Speaker 1
As tough. Maybe a little bit of low light, a little bit of fog. I mean, a high that’s that would be harder for me. The other ones are typically points like it has to be two or three on one side.

00:23:52:18 – 00:23:52:28
Speaker 2
Okay.

00:23:53:10 – 00:24:06:01
Speaker 1
So if you take a yearling buck who’s you know, we call them dummies for a reason. They are inexperienced. They’re just bouncing around the woods. They don’t know a good yearling buck might have two or three points on a side.

00:24:06:18 – 00:24:17:13
Speaker 1
So what you have there is a genetically superior yearling. Oh, yeah. Whacked. Yeah. Because he’s not smart enough to be safe yet. Sure.

00:24:17:19 – 00:24:20:25
Speaker 2
And then depending on what hunter is in a tree.

00:24:20:25 – 00:24:26:00
Speaker 1
Well I’m saying if there’s a 3.8 restriction on it. Yeah. And then this yearling comes by. Okay, that’s fair.

00:24:26:00 – 00:24:26:24
Speaker 2
Could be a stud.

00:24:27:09 – 00:24:33:04
Speaker 1
Yeah. What you’re doing is you’re taking out the superior genetics, you’re taking them out of the pool and you’re allowing the inferior genetics to.

00:24:33:06 – 00:24:35:04
Speaker 2
To grow. That’s an interesting point.

00:24:35:11 – 00:24:54:01
Speaker 1
So, yeah, it’s different. But I just wonder across the entire gamut of our industry, if we start to look at when when we make it difficult, let’s say difficult, if we start to exclude or set up barriers. And some of these are scientifically proven to be good for the deer and some aren’t, that’s fine.

00:24:54:01 – 00:25:14:02
Speaker 1
We won’t get into that. But if you start to look at Hunter numbers compared to. Increased license costs and compared to in main they wanted crossbows and I like remember I’m shut down or not but but the guides there are hunters arguing against the crossbow.

00:25:14:03 – 00:25:30:02
Speaker 1
Yeah. I don’t like crossbows. I’ve argued against privately. I’ve argued against them for a long time. If you’re a kid or if you’re disabled in any way, you have any kind of challenge that keeps you from pulling back a compound bow all for it.

00:25:30:03 – 00:25:43:26
Speaker 1
Have at it. But they have crossbows during archery season. That rubbed me wrong. But now I’ve evolved to the point. I’m like, No, wait a minute, man. Don’t we want more people in the sport? Yeah. And so here in Indiana, crossbows have been legal in archery season for a few years.

00:25:44:17 – 00:26:01:20
Speaker 1
I’ve seen zero change. I’ve seen I’ve seen more deer in my area. But yeah, I still think I think we need to make it easier for people to hunt, not just hunt easier for them to be successful. Yeah, some people are going to be like, Oh, you just want to hand it to him.

00:26:01:20 – 00:26:20:16
Speaker 1
You just wanna make it easy. So, no, not necessarily. I want to make it enjoyable. You know, there’s too much competition in the world for for your recreational dollar, for your time. Yeah. And so you’ve got to make him, you know, at least challenge them, but maybe make it a that they can be successful.

00:26:20:20 – 00:26:38:20
Speaker 2
You know, I think we have to understand that hunting isn’t always engrained in everybody as a passion. I think passions can be learned. And that’s kind of what I’m going through right now. I didn’t grow up hunting and I’ve only been hunting pheasant for the last seven, eight years or so and deer for the last three.

00:26:39:03 – 00:26:58:21
Speaker 2
Um, I’m slowly becoming passionate about it, but it wasn’t something that I just, you know, lived and breathed since I could walk. It just wasn’t. It wasn’t part of my lifestyle. So I think the harder we make it for guys, you know, who got in later in life or like me, where is it an ingrained passion?

00:26:58:21 – 00:27:11:27
Speaker 2
It’s a learned passion, you know, the less. We’re going to want to because it’s like, well, I could be doing something else that’s maybe easier, definitely less expensive or yeah, it’s just there’s so many different factors that go into it.

00:27:12:11 – 00:27:18:21
Speaker 2
And, you know, I don’t know. I don’t know if antler restrictions are right or wrong. I don’t know.

00:27:18:24 – 00:27:19:11
Speaker 1
Nor do I.

00:27:19:12 – 00:27:33:02
Speaker 2
I’m just saying, I know I can take my own personal perspective on it and say for me, if if I didn’t have a mentor and I wanted to get into hunting and I didn’t have someone who can explain it to me, I would look at that and go, wow, this is this is like confusing.

00:27:33:07 – 00:27:34:26
Speaker 2
I don’t know why I want to do this.

00:27:35:16 – 00:27:41:18
Speaker 1
I wonder what it will be that’ll either make you passionate about it or not. Or like, you know, I’ve.

00:27:41:18 – 00:27:55:28
Speaker 2
Had I’ve had I’ve had moments with both, honestly. So, you know, I but I still enjoy doing it. And, you know, we’re going out this weekend. We’re going on Saturday morning. I think we are. Um, it’s not hunting season, but everything we’re doing.

00:27:55:28 – 00:28:02:03
Speaker 2
I enjoy being out in nature, outside walking. Or at least so if I didn’t enjoy doing that stuff.

00:28:03:00 – 00:28:04:08
Speaker 1
I don’t know, we wouldn’t be into.

00:28:04:08 – 00:28:05:06
Speaker 2
I don’t think I’d be into.

00:28:05:06 – 00:28:19:25
Speaker 1
Here’s what you have not done. You’ve done it. You just. Yeah, you drive in the morning and then you walk out by yourself and and you climb a tree by yourself. And you sit there by yourself and you get down and you usually text me and say, hey, I’m out of here.

00:28:19:25 – 00:28:36:27
Speaker 1
I’m on leave. Yep. So there’s very little camaraderie while we’re hunting between you and me or, you know, any of our partners. That’s what we need to do. Yeah, in my opinion, it’s. And I’m doing it. You know, when we take the camper down, we have a little campfire outside to have a beer to make some back

00:28:36:27 – 00:28:46:23
Speaker 1
strap. Yeah. Fried potatoes. I mean, laugh. Tell everybody what you saw. And then where are you going to eat tomorrow? And then you do that two or three days in a row. That’s something I think in July you’re like, Damn, I want to do that again.

00:28:46:23 – 00:28:48:20
Speaker 1
I want to I miss the deer camp.

00:28:48:22 – 00:29:01:26
Speaker 2
That’s why we look forward to pheasant camp every year. I mean, honest, done. There are honestly, you know, the pheasant hunting the last few years is hard. It’s hard hunting. It’s hot. There are long walks. It’s just not something, right?

00:29:01:26 – 00:29:14:17
Speaker 2
Yeah, it but it’s like, hey, this is I’m kind of tired at the end of the day, but when you get back and you guys like you’re cleaning the birds, lighting the fire, you know, getting the beer on ice, that’s that’s what makes it that’s what we look forward to.

00:29:14:17 – 00:29:25:17
Speaker 2
So you’re right, we are missing that one with our deer hunting. And we have every opportunity to be able to create that sort of environment. We just haven’t done it yet. And maybe that might be the switch that does it for me.

00:29:25:17 – 00:29:26:02
Speaker 2
I don’t know.

00:29:26:14 – 00:29:29:18
Speaker 1
Yeah, maybe it’s not. But I to be clear, I’m doing it.

00:29:29:29 – 00:29:32:23
Speaker 2
You’re there, you? I bought the camper for a reason.

00:29:32:23 – 00:29:38:08
Speaker 1
The camper sitting out there, typically by myself, drinking a beer and having back straps and sure. Watch them.

00:29:38:08 – 00:29:41:00
Speaker 2
I just don’t wrap them in bacon. Just grill them up normal. Okay.

00:29:41:00 – 00:29:55:09
Speaker 1
That’s right. Yeah. Cool. So, yeah, the last part of this is, is the hunter ed piece. I want to be fair to Hunter education because I kind of thought about man even maybe as Hunter education, a bit of a barrier or is this something that kids today are like, I don’t want to do that.

00:29:55:09 – 00:30:18:00
Speaker 1
I don’t have to mess with that. So I did a little bit more research looking into it. And and I’ve got a friend of mine that provides Hunter education online courses for the for all 50 states. And I’ve got an acquaintance who is who was the president of the IAEA, the International Hunter Education Association, a few years

00:30:18:00 – 00:30:32:16
Speaker 1
ago, was at their convention and saw some some pretty cool stuff, some virtual reality, you know, training, hunter education. So I looked into it and they’re doing they have a 100% online course with high def HD videos and interactive stuff.

00:30:32:16 – 00:30:47:08
Speaker 1
It’s really cool. So to be fair, I thought maybe that was a barrier. It shouldn’t be. It’s a really cool program that they’ve got and I think all kids, even if you have a something of an interest in hunting, that might be a really good place to start.

00:30:47:08 – 00:30:54:29
Speaker 1
19 bucks, you can take the course online and you know, there you go. It’s that’ll give you an idea of, you know, like this or not at least.

00:30:54:29 – 00:31:09:07
Speaker 2
One, 100%. I think there’s a parallel we talk about with hunting lease insurance. You want to enjoy hunting, you don’t necessarily want to enjoy the purchase process of getting insurance and stuff like that. You know, Hunter education is vital.

00:31:09:11 – 00:31:25:02
Speaker 2
I mean, it has to be done, right? Have to do it. And if you can make it as enjoyable and, you know, inclusive for everybody, like you said, that’s a place to start, not with hunting being the end goal, but you can start there and take this and and realize, hey, there’s this thing is bigger than I

00:31:25:02 – 00:31:35:01
Speaker 2
thought. It was more exciting than I thought it was. I might be into this, and that’s that’s the place to start. You just don’t want it to become cumbersome. You don’t want it to turn people off from hunting.

00:31:35:11 – 00:31:42:06
Speaker 2
And I don’t think it does that for the record. I just I just think people should start there, like you said, and see where it takes them.

00:31:42:06 – 00:31:53:03
Speaker 1
Yeah. And it did find at least in Indiana the of the old I don’t call them old fashioned with the gun or the the three day weekend in a classroom. Those are still available. Yeah. So and I’m sure that’s that’s your thing.

00:31:53:03 – 00:31:59:05
Speaker 1
Yeah. That’s, you know, good instruction and quality time. Sure. For the most part with you and your kid or whoever you are taken.

00:31:59:05 – 00:32:11:03
Speaker 2
So, you know, we’ve been talking about the numbers. Going down on the last report. And there’s a there’s an NPR podcast called All Things Considered, and they did a podcast back in March of 2018, so about a year ago now.

00:32:11:28 – 00:32:26:25
Speaker 2
And it was about the the decline in number of hunters in America. And they had a graph, and it showed the number of hunters every five years started like 91 when they did it, and it gradually decreased until 2011.

00:32:27:04 – 00:32:46:17
Speaker 2
And then it kind of shot back up and then 2016 it decreased again. You know, I don’t know if anybody out there knows. I don’t know if you know. But it was just interesting how it was going down, what happened in 2011, what caused that increase in the volume of hunters that obviously dropped back off in 2016

00:32:46:17 – 00:32:54:24
Speaker 2
. But it seemed like something there’s an anomaly in there. Something happened around that time period that that increased that number. And I don’t know if off the top of your head you can think of that.

00:32:54:24 – 00:33:09:03
Speaker 1
Oh, I don’t. You know, my first thought was always to how are they taking the survey? Did something change in the process for gathering the information? I can’t think of a reason why it would spike, and I don’t remember how much it spiked, but that’s something worth looking into.

00:33:09:11 – 00:33:21:28
Speaker 1
Here’s the other thing. And this is this goes to just thinking differently. Hey, maybe less numbers are better. Maybe we’re all better off with fewer numbers. Yeah. If they’re, if they’re educated and they’re responsible to the to the game.

00:33:21:29 – 00:33:31:07
Speaker 1
Yep. And they’re responsible to the landowners. Maybe we’re better off with slightly fewer hunters. I don’t know if that’s the answer, but, you know, people think, oh, we got to build the hunters. We had to build the hunters.

00:33:31:11 – 00:33:44:05
Speaker 1
The only reason you honestly build more hunters just without even consideration, just. We just need more numbers. It’s because you want to sell them more stuff. Sure. You know, and so if that’s your endgame, then I’m question your motives.

00:33:44:14 – 00:33:52:28
Speaker 1
But if you want a a healthy group of engaged people, citizens hunting. Yeah. Maybe fewer is better.

00:33:53:07 – 00:34:00:10
Speaker 2
Maybe fewer is better because. Well, there has to be there has to be an inflection point where we can have too many hunters.

00:34:00:17 – 00:34:01:15
Speaker 1
We can have to me, deer.

00:34:01:24 – 00:34:18:06
Speaker 2
You have to. So there’s definitely a balancing act there. So, you know, I never thought of it that way. Maybe. Maybe I wouldn’t say a decline in the number is good, but maybe we are finding a sweet spot here over the last 15 years where this is probably where it should be based on the amount of public

00:34:18:06 – 00:34:30:04
Speaker 2
land available, private land available, all the access there is in America, there’s not it’s not growing. You know, the amount we’re not adding land or acres to to to the country.

00:34:30:04 – 00:34:34:10
Speaker 1
So there’s actually a hunter herd. We should actually. Are we managing our.

00:34:34:10 – 00:34:35:20
Speaker 2
Hunter hunter herd properly?

00:34:35:25 – 00:34:48:11
Speaker 1
You know, who knows? It’s but what I’m saying, you just got to think differently. It’s, you know, maybe maybe that’s the maybe that’s the point. We there are too many deer or not enough deer or ducks or whatever the game is.

00:34:48:12 – 00:34:51:28
Speaker 1
Yeah, maybe there’s, like you said, a sweet spot for the number of hunters we have.

00:34:51:28 – 00:34:52:07
Speaker 2
Yeah.

00:34:52:07 – 00:34:55:15
Speaker 1
And what we can support with public land and private access.

00:34:55:23 – 00:35:16:19
Speaker 2
And we’ve talked about, we’ve talked about, um, typically our stance has been annual leases and that helps manage game on certain properties and, and it makes the property more healthy as far as game goes. And if you add too many hunters you’re just going to deplete resources, you’re going to, you’re going to run through property and it’s

00:35:16:19 – 00:35:26:07
Speaker 2
never going to be able to recover. So, yeah, I don’t know. This is kind of us. We’re this came out of nowhere, frankly, like the gears are turning in my head now. But it’s an interesting point.

00:35:26:17 – 00:35:39:21
Speaker 1
Yeah. It’s like you said, more questions than answers for sure. Sure. Okay. Me and my wife did something last night, and I just need some. Some good wishes, some good luck. Okay. We applied for our Grand Canyon permit.

00:35:39:25 – 00:35:42:09
Speaker 1
Yeah, for April of 20.

00:35:42:20 – 00:35:45:27
Speaker 2
So what do you do when you’re out there? You get the permit. What’s the plan?

00:35:45:27 – 00:35:56:22
Speaker 1
So, really cool. So we did this a few years ago. My wife attempted to run from room to room to room. Okay. And she fell well short. Yes, I knew she bought a bit off, maybe a little more than she.

00:35:56:22 – 00:35:58:05
Speaker 2
The fires burn and yeah, she wants.

00:35:58:05 – 00:36:07:07
Speaker 1
To do it so. Well, I don’t think. I think now we just want to go. There’s a place to. But the bottom of the canyon is called Phantom Ranch. And it’s like an old miner’s ranch kind of deal.

00:36:07:07 – 00:36:18:10
Speaker 1
Some dorm and a couple little small cabins and then a big dining hall. It’s pretty sharp. So everybody in camp eats at the dining hall one. So they’ll come out of 6:00 and ring a bell. And everybody that’s in camp goes to the dining hall.

00:36:18:10 – 00:36:33:01
Speaker 1
You sit big, long tables and they serve you family style stew and steak and stuff. She missed that because she was running and she didn’t get back until later that night. And so she literally got the layer head down and she got a four or 5 hours later and we walked out, hiked out.

00:36:34:05 – 00:36:46:07
Speaker 1
And so she just wants to experience that. So that’s what our plan for the Grand Canyon Inn is to just hike down to Phantom Ranch, drop our stuff, go to a place called Ribbon Falls, which is just a great big waterfall, and then back to Phantom Ranch for the night.

00:36:46:19 – 00:36:57:13
Speaker 1
The next day, get up and go to the North Rim will go down on the South Rim, go up to the north rim and back to Phantom Ranch again for the night and then hike out the third day or so.

00:36:57:13 – 00:37:11:15
Speaker 1
And then I think we’re going to try and go see Yosemite and Bryce Canyon, Antelope Canyon and couple other things. Tahoe maybe call on about two weeks stretch, but it all depends on getting that permit and you have to apply 15 months in advance.

00:37:11:15 – 00:37:13:10
Speaker 2
Did you run into an issue with that last time?

00:37:13:13 – 00:37:24:18
Speaker 1
Oh yeah, we were in a huge issue. Yeah. You have to have she got her permit, her and her friend to do the run and then I didn’t have a permit to spend the night down there.

00:37:25:01 – 00:37:25:20
Speaker 2
That’s what it was.

00:37:26:04 – 00:37:41:18
Speaker 1
So I found a I can’t remember the name of the trail now hermit’s hermits trail. But it’s it’s unmanned. It’s just a remote trail. But there’s like, yeah, there’s, you know, they when you apply, they say, have you done this before because this is out there and like, oh, yeah.

00:37:41:18 – 00:37:42:24
Speaker 2
Yeah, for sure.

00:37:42:24 – 00:37:53:17
Speaker 1
Heck yeah. So yeah, I got a permit and then I was able to actually go down by myself and spend the night in the bottom of the canyon in a tent. Just chill. And it was awesome. Nice. Yeah.

00:37:53:17 – 00:38:02:03
Speaker 1
And then I like to Phantom Ranch, and I met her that night. And then I, of course, I got there for dinner, and she didn’t know that story of her life. There you go.

00:38:02:03 – 00:38:06:07
Speaker 2
Yeah. So, Perm, it’s all squared away this time. You did everything on. We applied on time.

00:38:06:07 – 00:38:08:12
Speaker 1
And applied for the law. Okay, so, yeah.

00:38:08:24 – 00:38:11:19
Speaker 2
But what are the chances you get in or versus not?

00:38:12:07 – 00:38:13:26
Speaker 1
Oh, I’d say they’re less than 5050.

00:38:13:27 – 00:38:14:22
Speaker 2
Oh really. Yeah.

00:38:15:04 – 00:38:22:24
Speaker 1
Yeah. So we’ll keep we’ll keep trying. But I mean you really only we go to the Grand Canyon, April or May or September. Right. Other than that, it’s an oven down at the bottom.

00:38:22:24 – 00:38:32:12
Speaker 2
What was that thing out west? You were you got you came back from one of the shows. It was like five or $600. You got some of our Northwest forbears.

00:38:32:16 – 00:38:34:26
Speaker 1
I don’t know, sponge dog bears or hike in El Capitan.

00:38:34:26 – 00:38:39:29
Speaker 2
Yeah, I think it was. Yeah, I think it was the bear thing. As far as 600 bucks.

00:38:39:29 – 00:38:41:17
Speaker 1
To 600 bucks. Now.

00:38:42:12 – 00:38:44:24
Speaker 2
You know what? We’ll post the link because I don’t remember the.

00:38:44:24 – 00:38:50:11
Speaker 1
Name of that song I had. That’s fine. Yeah, if you had a bear for 500 bucks. I’m in. You’re in? Yeah, just for.

00:38:50:29 – 00:39:04:26
Speaker 2
Yeah, that’s kind of a short one today. I know. We kind of came in here, and we’ve been doing we’ve been working with a consultant who told us, hey, if we’re going to do this, this survey, it needs to be coupled with, you know, more content.

00:39:04:26 – 00:39:08:13
Speaker 2
So. Sure. Get your butts back in front of the camera and do another podcast.

00:39:08:23 – 00:39:20:00
Speaker 1
Yep. Kind of talk about emailing search real quick. Go for it. Yeah, we we’ve we’ve mentioned that we were going to email, search or search. I always say search certificates of insurance when you buy and sell our liability insurance.

00:39:20:00 – 00:39:33:08
Speaker 1
And I know a lot of our members watch or listen to the podcast. We will now start emailing you your search the day after you buy. Yep. No more waiting a week to get your certification or your certificate in the mail.

00:39:34:04 – 00:39:51:17
Speaker 1
We will still mail a copy to your landowner on your behalf, but we will email you your cert the next day and all of your certificates, your landowner certificates and yours for your hunt club will be uploaded to your account so you can always access your account on your phone.

00:39:51:26 – 00:39:54:28
Speaker 1
You have all of your certs now ID’d your phone to your fingertips.

00:39:56:08 – 00:40:06:12
Speaker 2
And that’s where all the policy start date sets. January. That’s March. That’s August and that’s October. Yes. So, yeah, it’s it’s something you’ve been working really hard on for a few years now to try to get done and.

00:40:06:16 – 00:40:20:01
Speaker 1
Well, I mean, you know, put yourself in the place of a guy who who gets in talks to this landowner over and over and over. And finally, October 15th, October 25th, the landlord was like, okay, if you want to hunt for the next few weeks, you can just go grab some insurance, got to like get a certificate

00:40:20:14 – 00:40:28:01
Speaker 1
. Then you can hunt these other people or these other companies that we see sell in two, three, six weeks. Ridiculous.

00:40:28:01 – 00:40:41:04
Speaker 2
Yeah. It always leaves a level of discomfort on the landowners part just because they don’t. Actually, they’re in a state of limbo, and it’s just not the way it should be. I mean, we have the technology, we have we have the team, we have the resources to be able to offer this thing.

00:40:41:04 – 00:40:49:08
Speaker 2
And, um, like you said about a lot of the other things we’ve done in the past, you don’t know why everyone else in this industry doesn’t offer it. They just choose not to sell. So we.

00:40:49:08 – 00:40:49:16
Speaker 1
Choose.

00:40:49:16 – 00:40:51:03
Speaker 2
We’ll be the ones who do it.

00:40:51:13 – 00:40:57:16
Speaker 1
Because we want to say, start this thing off. This industry needs a leader. Yep. And it’s the American Association.

00:40:57:16 – 00:40:59:26
Speaker 2
100%. Anything else?

00:41:00:23 – 00:41:01:12
Speaker 1
Good man.

00:41:01:20 – 00:41:12:09
Speaker 2
We’re going to stick to a more consistency here. Yeah, hopefully we won’t see it in six weeks. And it’ll be it’ll be a couple of Wednesdays from now. And, uh. Yeah, that’s all I got. Cool. Thanks, guys.