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Speaker 1
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Speaker 2
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Speaker 1
Let’s talk real quick about the one stand, the ad that we just heard. We had a partner a few years ago that did a similar thing, but not nearly as good as Huntsman’s doing it. And I want to be clear on what that is, because Hunt Stands got a platform now where you can easily mark the boundaries
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Speaker 1
on your particular hunting ground, don’t release, you know, whatever virtual property. And for a pretty very reasonable fee for HLA members, you get a 20% discount code 20. Exactly. You can get a poster size laminated or, you know, glossy or coded version of that.
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Speaker 1
And we’ve this has been a problem with me for years, and this is the solution to it. And that is you can lay this map out on the tailgate of your truck, the hood of your truck on a picnic table, whatever.
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Speaker 1
And you can show the people you’re hunting with, you know, know here’s where I was when I saw the big bug. Here’s where I stuck him. Here’s where I’ve got last blood. That’s where we’re going to trail instead of on our phone, trying to zoom in and zoom in.
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Speaker 1
And you can only zoom in so much. Yeah, it’s right. You know, if I had a tiny needle, I could show you where that is. It is a fantastic tool. And it’s one of those things that you don’t think about.
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Speaker 1
And, you know, in the off season, like, I don’t know if I would spend 70, 80 bucks, whatever it is, on a on a big map. But man, when you get it and it’s time to use it, it’s like, this thing is nice.
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Speaker 1
You can put all your stains on it. Yeah, you can put all of your mineral licks or your food plots. You can put all of the information you want on there. Then when you send it to them, when it comes back, it is a professionally laid out marked map.
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Speaker 1
And it’s it was killer, man.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, I agree. I think for us, when we use maps like that, it’s a win win because when you zoom in on a screen like that and you start scrolling through the entire property, it’s easy for me to get lost and say, Well, I don’t know where you started, where you ended up here.
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Speaker 2
And then just the sheer size of it. I know we were kind of making fun of you a little bit. You have a you have one paragraph that took up a half a page on your ad read here.
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Speaker 2
So just having a map that size for you, I know is helpful. So, you know, I’m able to look at it, you’re able to point things out and it’s a great product. Yeah, I.
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Speaker 1
Should point out, you know, I do have my readers if I need them, but I try not to as I’m too cool for that. But yeah, it’s just a, it’s a killer tool. And yeah, I would encourage everybody if you have, if you want to, you want a great Father’s Day gift, which is coming up in just
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a couple of months. And you give your your dad or somebody, your grandfather, a big rolled up tube and they open it up there and think, oh, yeah, that’s perfect, because it’s something I wouldn’t think to buy on my own, but, you know, for a pretty reasonable price you can have that.
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Speaker 1
So I think that’s pretty cool.
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Speaker 2
Agreed. Again, code 20 on their website and you get 20% off.
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Speaker 1
Yeah, absolutely. So I’m going to ask our listeners and our viewers today to kind of bear with us as we go through this. We’re going to have a pretty interesting conversation, I think, and we have some different thoughts on this.
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Speaker 1
And I want to be clear that the way that we’ve done it, the way that we think it should be done, is it’s our opinion. You know, it’s not even necessarily that of our sponsors or, you know, the HLA or anything like that.
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Speaker 1
This is what we these are our observations. This is what happened to us, this is how we’ve done it. And so take it with a grain of salt, but kind of stick with us, because I think if you have an open mind, you’re going to you probably see some truth in what we’re talking about.
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Speaker 1
So let’s start with this. Who either who started you hunting? Who got you hunted at the very first time? Or and or what is your first real memory of being outside, enjoying hunting or fishing?
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Speaker 2
Yeah. So not to get too deep, but my parents were divorced when I was really young and my mom remarried when I was, I don’t know, eight or so, still married to the same guy. Stepdad basically raised me.
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Speaker 2
He did not come from a hunting background. My mom’s side of the family didn’t really hunt much. So when I would spend time with my dad, me and my brother would go visit my dad every other weekend. You know, I do remember fishing trips specifically because that was something he really liked to do.
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Speaker 2
And when I was when I was nine, he passed away. So that that sort of line to accessing the outdoors and learning how to love the outdoors, that connection, that connection was was gone in that sense. My my grandfather, my dad’s dad, you know, made it a point to take me, my brother, to South Dakota every summer
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Speaker 2
. And we would go out there, we’d fish every lake out there, didn’t do any hunting or anything like that. But it was a it was a couple of weeks long. And we eat fish every day. And that was really the first time for me where I got to learn to love.
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Speaker 2
I remember I got I don’t remember what fish I caught, but I got a letter from like the governor of South Dakota. And I wish I could find the thing. And I was like a certified junior angler in the state of South Dakota because I caught like five or six different species of fish.
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Speaker 2
So I thought that was so cool. And then when I think about now, I’m like those. Kind of dumb, but it meant a lot to me at the time.
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Speaker 1
But when I ask you your first memory that comes up. It comes up wasn’t dumb, dude. I mean, no, ever dumb.
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Speaker 2
It wasn’t. But you look at it and I made it such a big deal at the moment. But no, that was really kind of my first my first memory. And then as I got a little bit older, I started playing baseball and things like that.
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Speaker 2
And the South Dakota trip stopped and there wasn’t much, you know, and I grew up in the country, but I didn’t hang out with people who were living that lifestyle. My friends were athletes. They were we were playing baseball or football or basketball or whatever it was all the time.
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Speaker 2
And that’s what kind of consumed our time. And then there was probably 15 years there where I didn’t do anything. I was not even thinking about that lifestyle at all.
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Speaker 1
I didn’t really even miss it at that. For those 15 years. You didn’t miss?
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Speaker 2
I didn’t miss it because I didn’t I didn’t fully realize what I was missing, I guess. And, you know, I did miss the trips to South Dakota. I did miss that. But it wasn’t like, oh, man, I just want to go.
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Speaker 2
I think it was more about spending time with my grandparents and my brother and stuff, as opposed to the actual fishing and the outdoors experience. And then around my mid-twenties, I started going out. They hunt pheasant every year out there, and I started going with them.
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Speaker 2
And that’s kind of when it started to sink in. That lifestyle kind of thing started to sink in more for me. So yeah, it all kind of revolves around my, my dad started me out and then my, my grandpa kind of at a young age instilled that in me.
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Speaker 2
And it was always there somewhere, just kind of laying dormant, I think. And then I, you know, I went through my life experiences and came back around to it.
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Speaker 1
And Grandpa was still with us. Yeah.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. He’s still talking about going to South Dakota this year. Again, he’s 778. He just had a birthday, came up with 7475. He’s going to kill me for that, but not so much. He’s getting up there in age, so he’s not so active anymore.
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Speaker 2
But he talks about pheasant camp. I just want to go out and spend time with me and my brother and my cousins and my uncles, and that’s just part of the experience and that, you know, sure, it’s hard hunting sometimes.
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Speaker 2
So he just says, I’m going to hang out on the sidelines, but I’ll be there with you guys.
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Speaker 1
We’re going to share. Have you decided?
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Speaker 2
Oh, I don’t know. We might be planning a trip to Florida, so.
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Speaker 1
Well, okay, we’ll.
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Speaker 2
See what happens, but.
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Speaker 1
I might put some pressure on you to do.
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Speaker 2
That. To do it?
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Speaker 1
Well, I mean, you know, similar story. So you have you will come back full circle. Taking you or exposing you to that was important to your grandfather. Yeah. Okay. I have a pretty similar story. Honestly, parents are divorced and I can credit to people with my my introduction into hunting and fishing.
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Speaker 1
Grandpa and grandma. They were also divorced bitterly. But every Friday you wait every other week and you get to see your dad, as did I. Every other weekend my mom would take us to my grandmother’s house in particular.
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Speaker 1
Me or my grandmother would pick me up at the house and we would go fishing. You guys are, as we’re here in Indianapolis, a horrible walk into the woods down to what they call Devil’s Backbone, which is a beautiful house now right on the lake.
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Speaker 1
And we would fish next to a there was a big dead pine tree evergreen in the water. It was there for years. And we would fish with cane poles right next to that thing, and we would catch yellow bellied catfish like crazy, you know.
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Speaker 1
And we, of course, have to carry them back up. And she was she was a great outdoors lady. She really was. And that’s what she loved to do it later. She would, but she had a place out at a place called Raccoon Lake here, and she had a pontoon.
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Speaker 1
And, you know, all the you know, all the fishermen, they have all the big they’ve got all the gear. She had a big pontoon boat and a rod and reel that she traveled with. And she she would just drive like this and she would get a bite, just drop it in neutral and real and stripers.
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Speaker 1
I loved that lifestyle. I loved going to her place on the weekends. And I mean, that’s just what I did in particular. But then there’s this long time and family dynamics kind of get into it where? Or just with our dad and we’re in sports.
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Speaker 1
It’s me and my brother for the most part. We have a sister, but my dad and we were all into sports. I also had a grandfather who I’ve written, you know, a little bit about. He at the same time would introduce me to the fishing and even hunting squirrels.
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Speaker 1
So that’s where I got it. But then I kind of left it. If I were to think of one of my memories, the first one. It’s kind of strange, but I for some reason I do remember my papa asked me if I knew how to use a rod and reel, said, sure, you know, absolutely.
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Speaker 1
I was five maybe one time. Big giant, not, you know. And I remember him saying, you lied to papa. You don’t do that again. I mean, from there on, I’m like, well, okay.
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Speaker 2
It’s also just a bad history.
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Speaker 1
Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, so not only do I get a little life lesson there, but, you know, I’m starting to love. Well, fishing and hunting. Come full circle here. Just a couple of months ago when we wrote that piece about him and he read it, it really meant something to him.
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Speaker 1
And so now I’m. I’m thinking how important it is to mentor somebody. Yeah. Not even to just the person you’re mentoring. And I try not to say, kid, because we’re not we shouldn’t be just looking at the kids.
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Speaker 2
100%.
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Speaker 1
Get into that. But it’s important to the mentor, right? That’s part of it. That’s a huge part of it. And so I would challenge anybody, yourself included, myself included, whoever you mentor. Who are you introducing to the sport that wants to be introduced?
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Speaker 1
Right. Frankly, that’s the key.
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Speaker 2
They they have to want to learn on some level. They may not know where to start. They may not know what it entails. But if the interest is there and you are in a position where you can take someone out and show them what you know as much or as little as you know.
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Speaker 2
Because, for example, I took a friend of mine, a guy who used to work for me, actually, and then we went our separate ways and kept in touch. And he had a lab and he had been interested in bird hunting.
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Speaker 2
So I took him out to South Dakota to visit camp one year and we had a blast. It was it was so much fun. So did I. Do I know everything about pheasant hunting? No, I don’t. I do.
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Speaker 2
I hunt the hardest? Do I drive the hardest? Do I always try to get my bag limit? No. You know, if it’s hard hunting, I kind of just want to, you know, cash it in and maybe just go have a beer or something, you know?
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Speaker 2
But I can’t. But at the same time, I was able to expose him to, you know, what this looks like for us. And if he goes on and he continues bird hunting or deer hunting or whatever it is, he can at least have that experience.
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Speaker 2
Say, you know, I remember the first time I went and I tried my best to make sure it was as enjoyable as possible for him. So, you know, it’s not about you don’t need 50 years of experience to show someone just go out and do it together, get a friend and just just if you have that opportunity
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Speaker 2
, you can take someone out. Just do it and see how it goes.
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Speaker 1
That’s what introducing somebody to something is what it is. I’m not here to teach you everything. I’m just here to introduce you. Maybe you like it, maybe you don’t. I think where we get into a bit of a problem is and this is where some of our listeners might, you know, I don’t know, disagree, which is fine
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Speaker 1
. I think in particular, we try and introduce our own kids. Okay, that’s fine. I get that. I’ve got a new grandson, six months old. Grand Stud is like all the you got to see. I was there last week about a week ago kid loves he 60 must loves to be outside to the point where we were outside
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Speaker 1
in the front yard it was cold windy and we’re like they just bad idea. Let’s go inside. So we all go inside. And he’s kind of last walk in and my daughter looks at me. She’s like, Wait till you see this.
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Speaker 1
I was like, What? And she’s like, As soon as he realizes we’re not going out the back door, he’s going to go nuts. Like, Come on. No, he won’t. Oh, yeah. Kid goes right to the back door, and my daughter’s like, nobody.
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Speaker 1
We’re staying in down on his. He goes and just screaming.
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Speaker 2
Really? Yeah. It seems like there’s there’s something in him that is just it’s just built for that. It wants that. That’s not always the case with everybody. So for him, he’s he should be someone easy to mentor because it seems like he would want, you know, he can get older and change his perception.
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Speaker 2
But, you know, if we’ve talked about the barrier to entry of the sport and deer, I didn’t deer hunt until I was 30 years old.
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Speaker 1
Okay. I was 27.
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Speaker 2
Okay. I didn’t know I liked it. I thought I might because I like pheasant hunting and I like being outdoors and I know people who deer hunt. But until I until I did it, there is a strong possibility I could I could have bought a bow and went out there and be like, dude, this is not for
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Speaker 2
me. I don’t want to do this.
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Speaker 1
And let’s be honest, it’s been mixed reviews from you so far. Yeah. And we’re going, well, we can if you want to address that as we go. Sure. I think you need more of a challenge, that’s all. I just think you need.
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Speaker 1
I think it’s a little sedentary for you, right? It’s it’s a little drive and certain weight and going and and I think we can make it a little more difficult, which kind of dovetails into what we’re what we’re talking about.
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Speaker 1
Yeah. I want to talk a little bit more about taking kids hunting. Sure. If it’s not about you. Okay. If you’re the mentor and you’re listening to me now, this is not about you and it’s not your world.
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Speaker 1
If you make it about you, it’s going to be miserable for your child. Okay? Yep. At least part of it. Yeah. Listen, I know these these guys that have done this, they they’re like, well, they might, you know, as soon as my son or my daughter can sit quietly for 3 hours will go, why in the world
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Speaker 1
would you take them for 3 hours? Okay. If you take your kids hunting and you’re in a blind after 30 minutes and yeah, you might have driven 2 hours to get there after 30 minutes, they’re going to say that.
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Speaker 1
Can we leave? No, let’s let’s sit it out a little longer. After about 45 minutes to an hour, you need to go in. You say, yep, we’re good, we’re done. Because then you’re going to ask them later, what do you think?
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Speaker 1
Well, that was okay. But if you make them sit there, and especially if you take away their.
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Speaker 2
Phone salaries, the experience.
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Speaker 1
It was brutal. Yeah. You know, they’re going to go, hey, let’s go hunting tomorrow. No, no, I don’t want to walk all that far and sit there and the bugs for 3 hours. We didn’t see anything. I don’t want to do that.
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Speaker 1
You’re not going to get them to go back. You have to go on their terms, especially when you’re introducing them. And the other thing I see is I see, you know, it’s such an easy trap to fall into and I’ve done it.
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Speaker 1
I’m guilty here when Casey or my youngest daughter, Sydney, and let me let me tell you this story and then this kind of has some lessons in it, too. I was getting off the firehouse one morning. I had been I had hunted in this little spot about half an hour from our house two days prior.
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Speaker 1
And this little buck was just chase and dogs around like crazy. It was hilarious to watch and I thought, man, this is a great place to bring Sydney. And so I take her all right to talk to her next time at Firehouse.
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Speaker 1
I was like, Hey babe, listen, I’m going to pull up tomorrow after work. I’m going to you got to be ready. And then we’ve got to get to this place. I’ve got a place cleared out on the ground.
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Speaker 1
We’re just going to sit there, okay. And I said, bring some snacks. Okay. So I pull up, day is just break in and I’m like, you know, please be ready. Here she comes, face painted, you know, which is makes me laugh.
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Speaker 1
Yeah. Ready to get dressed. Everything. She was ready to go. And in her hands she’s carrying two water bottles or Pepsi bottles. I came out which filled with milk and I’m here to tell you my heart absolutely sang I every time I.
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Speaker 1
I either have an empty water bottle or an empty Pepsi bottle that I fill with milk for breakfast. I’ve done it for years. I had no idea she was watching that. I had no clue when I told her to give a snack that she would probably pour Pepsi out so that she could fill them with milk and
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Speaker 1
then come walking out knowing what I want. And that’s that to me is probably the most is the second most vivid memory of the story is I had no idea you were watching. And so that’s what it a clue they’re watching.
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Speaker 1
When you don’t think they’re watching, they’re taking notes. They’re they’re things are sticking to them. And you’ve got to be aware of that. We go out, we sit down and like, you know, you made a joke a little bit ago, Dad joke, you know, because I said something corny, which I say a lot.
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Speaker 1
So we’re sitting here on the ground less than 5 minutes, and I look her right in the eye and I said, This has taken forever. This is boring, isn’t it? And she looked at me and it just was like dead.
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Speaker 1
And she stopped mid-sentence. And I’m like, What? And, you know, we’re staring at each other. We’re sitting on the ground staring at each other. She’s like, There’s a deer right behind you. And I was like, Oh, now you’re doing it.
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Speaker 1
Yeah. I was like, she’s like, No, I’m serious. And I was like, okay, I go, Can you get a shot? She’s like, I think so. I said, okay, we’ll spin around, get in position. And she she does. I move.
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Speaker 1
She’s like, No, let’s go, Case. I handle the gun and get out of her way and she brings the gun up. And I said, you know, can you you see it now? Can you see it in the in the scope?
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Speaker 1
She’s like, Yeah. I was like, okay. And in my mind, I’m like, There’s no chance this goes down. It doesn’t this doesn’t happen. Oh, by the way, just for she’s 15 when this happens, I think I said, okay, well, I mean, if you’re ready, then go ahead.
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Speaker 1
And she gets it. She gets it up. She takes a big, deep breath and blows it out. And right then I was like, Oh, my God, she’s remembering everything I talked to her or about. I mean, she’s on it.
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Speaker 1
And then I thought, she’s going to this is going to happen. And sure enough, she pulls off the trigger. Deer goes 30 or 40 yards and piles up. And I mean, I look, I spin around on like, baby, did you shoot?
00:19:59:05 – 00:20:15:22
Speaker 1
And she was like, Yeah, I think I did. Now this is where I go. Typical mentor. I’m crazy happy. Okay. And. And rightfully so, you know. But then later and now looking back at not only that, but other things, like why was she happy?
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Speaker 1
Was she she’s, by the way, vegan.
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Speaker 2
She’s vegan now.
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Speaker 1
She’s a vegan now. Yeah. Yeah. I drove her to veganism, but. And she makes nothing but cares. But that’s a health thing. She. She prefers to eat that way. But she had she paid attention to everything I said.
00:20:32:08 – 00:20:47:01
Speaker 1
Yeah. Now she was happy, in my opinion, not because she killed a deer. She’s now she’s not happy that that deer just died. Right. She’s happy because I’m happy. Right. She’s happy for one reason. And that’s that. She thinks I’m proud of her for killing that deer.
00:20:47:11 – 00:20:48:18
Speaker 1
Yeah. You know, and I.
00:20:49:00 – 00:21:09:03
Speaker 2
And there was no pressure to do that. Right. So the reward, when when the goal was accomplished, was that much sweeter because it wasn’t like it seems like she didn’t have to release any negative burden. Like, Oh, if I don’t kill a deer today, my dad’s going to be disappointed because that wasn’t the case.
00:21:10:05 – 00:21:11:23
Speaker 1
It wasn’t. But I could have made her feel that way.
00:21:12:01 – 00:21:12:14
Speaker 2
You could have.
00:21:12:14 – 00:21:15:19
Speaker 1
And it’s probably very easy to feel that way. You know.
00:21:15:19 – 00:21:28:18
Speaker 2
I see a lot of parallels when we talk about mentorship, when it comes to hunting. And, you know, we’ve we’ve said a couple of times now and you just said it, it’s not about you. It’s about the person you’re mentoring.
00:21:29:03 – 00:21:43:23
Speaker 2
And unfortunately, I see a lot of I coached youth baseball for years and I see a lot of that. You know, it’s about the parents. And you’ll see kids that come to practice and they love it. They have a great time because the parents aren’t there.
00:21:44:17 – 00:21:45:20
Speaker 1
And we’re great and.
00:21:45:20 – 00:22:01:09
Speaker 2
We’re getting better and we’re working and we’re training and everything’s good. It’s a great environment. But then the game time comes. If you don’t get the hits, if you don’t, if you make an error, the parents are there to to criticize you and come down on you because obviously they want the best for their kid.
00:22:01:09 – 00:22:12:01
Speaker 2
I get that. But they want to see their kids succeed, too, and they don’t always know how to deal with it when when their kid doesn’t. And baseball is a game of failure. And what I’m finding is hunting is a game of failure.
00:22:12:05 – 00:22:12:16
Speaker 1
Oh, for.
00:22:12:16 – 00:22:27:04
Speaker 2
Sure. So I see I see a lot of parallels there. And I see how it can be easy for someone who is trying to be a mentor to fall into that trap because they’ve been through the highs and the lows and they want it, especially with their kid.
00:22:27:08 – 00:22:40:14
Speaker 2
They want the best for their kids, so they want their kid to have the best experience. And when it doesn’t go the way, like textbook, the way it should go, sometimes they don’t know how to process that. And it may come across like they’re they’re mad or upset or disappointed.
00:22:40:14 – 00:22:51:15
Speaker 2
And that’s not always the case. But sometimes it is. And it’s just it’s about being a little bit self conscious and realizing that you’re trying to help this person fall in love with this lifestyle.
00:22:51:16 – 00:23:08:10
Speaker 1
Right. And I think you need to just kind of set expectations and a realistic let them know, by the way, you include them in on your expectations. Hey, we’re gonna go out here. We’re going to eat some Pop-Tarts, you know, post some stuff on Facebook, we’ll take some silly pictures from selfies, put them on Instagram because that’s
00:23:08:10 – 00:23:09:04
Speaker 1
what they want to do.
00:23:09:05 – 00:23:10:03
Speaker 2
That’s what they want to do. You know.
00:23:10:08 – 00:23:20:23
Speaker 1
They want to show their friends that, look, my dad or mom took me hunting today. Look what we’re doing. This is fun. And hopefully we’ll see a turkey. And if we see a turkey or a coyote or a deer.
00:23:21:03 – 00:23:35:04
Speaker 1
Yeah, man, let’s be good. Let’s take some pictures and we’ll be good. Now, if you want to harvest an animal and you have that opportunity, great. My saying shouldn’t. I’m just saying, if you just set those expectations to where the kids want to, the whole goal of the first trip is what if you’re asking a girl out
00:23:35:04 – 00:23:36:12
Speaker 1
on a date? What is the goal?
00:23:36:17 – 00:23:39:06
Speaker 2
Got to make her number. You got to make her like you said, she doesn’t.
00:23:39:06 – 00:23:50:22
Speaker 1
Want a second date. I just want the kids or the people, your mentor, to go again and again and again. And you can expand that. It’s you have to be patient with them. You know, I’m in Sydney one time too.
00:23:51:03 – 00:24:01:16
Speaker 1
She does the whole soap and you know, she takes a shower just like I told her to. And then she’s she’s reading a 17 magazine and I just see her do this and she’s like, Hey, Dad, smell this.
00:24:02:00 – 00:24:04:21
Speaker 1
This is a new perfume. I’m like, Okay, well, she’s sure.
00:24:04:21 – 00:24:05:18
Speaker 2
That you’ll love it.
00:24:06:04 – 00:24:20:16
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah, exactly. But that’s funny stuff. Yeah. And if you ask me on that very first time that we go hunting, when the first time it was close, what are my two takeaways? Pepsi bottles for milk and her breathing when she shot had nothing to do with the deer.
00:24:20:16 – 00:24:35:23
Speaker 1
Yeah, nothing to do with it. Just how proud I was that she was listening to me, you know, that she was actually paying attention what I did. I mean, it was an eye opener for me, honestly. So yeah, I just think guys need and I’ve seen them on TV where the, the five year old, you know, is
00:24:35:23 – 00:24:49:23
Speaker 1
taking to a blind where a deer comes by and it’s a, you know, a food plot and they prop the gun up in a and they hold it for them. And then a shooting. The dad goes nuts how proud he is that dad’s excited for one thing, because he’s been told it’s entertainment value.
00:24:49:23 – 00:25:09:04
Speaker 1
Exactly. He’s got to tell his friends that his little boy or little girl just killed a deer. It’s that little bad kid doesn’t. Get that there now. They’re thrilled that you’re thrilled. But yeah, I think we could all do a better job of introducing hunters and that kind of Segways into not necessarily our kids.
00:25:09:21 – 00:25:27:12
Speaker 1
You know, if you you know, Outdoor Life had an article a year ago, January, January of 2018, you can look it up. It’s like, why are we losing hunters and how to fix it? And they said that like I think it was, 80% of licensed hunters are white, 70% are male.
00:25:27:21 – 00:25:40:20
Speaker 1
That was 75% of all hunters are white men. And then we have the programs like our three shoot retention reintroducing.
00:25:40:20 – 00:25:43:02
Speaker 2
They’re just referencing the meat eater article we read.
00:25:43:02 – 00:25:54:05
Speaker 1
Yeah, I can’t remember. That’s, that’s on me. I shouldn’t, I should know that. But the R3 game, where, where they invite kids of hunters to come to these programs and then they’re like, hey, we had a thousand kids.
00:25:54:12 – 00:26:03:16
Speaker 1
Those kids were going to be in it anyway. Yeah. You feel good about yourself? You just spent money from federal grants or whatever, and now you feel good because you’re doing your part. You’re not doing your part, man.
00:26:03:22 – 00:26:19:09
Speaker 1
You got to reach out into the community, into urban areas where people are interested in sustainable food sources and all that kind of stuff, and then slowly say, Hey, this is possible if you’d like to see it, yeah, I can take it and then take adults and people.
00:26:19:09 – 00:26:26:13
Speaker 1
We need new people in the sport, not people who are going to be there anyway, that is. And that is some low hanging fruit in my opinion. Yeah.
00:26:26:22 – 00:26:43:15
Speaker 2
Agreed. I think there’s it’s easier said than done obviously. And I, you know, I don’t know of the best way, I don’t know if social media is the best way to do it. I don’t know the best way to network to put yourself in a position to mentor someone outside of your social circle.
00:26:44:06 – 00:26:56:05
Speaker 2
A friend of a friend. I don’t know. I don’t know the answer, but we got to try to figure something out because we just did our survey and, you know, we’re still putting the data together. But there’s a couple of things that jump out.
00:26:56:05 – 00:27:12:11
Speaker 2
And to me, it seems like a majority of hunters in this country feel an obligation to carry on the tradition of hunting. You know, your daughters don’t hunt. Nope. Okay. They experienced it. They did it. It’s not that they hated it.
00:27:13:05 – 00:27:14:02
Speaker 1
They might do it again.
00:27:14:02 – 00:27:28:16
Speaker 2
They might do it again, but they’re not, you know, looking forward to opening day every year. And that’s just it just sometimes it’s not about your family. It’s about other people who have an interest and don’t have the resources.
00:27:29:02 – 00:27:47:03
Speaker 2
Like if a deer hunting for me is is a perfect example, would I have opportunities to deer hunt outside of, you know, the connections I have in this office? Sure, probably. But the amount of effort I would have to go to to like cultivate those relationships and, you know, foster them and make sure I just it’s like
00:27:47:03 – 00:27:52:13
Speaker 2
, yeah, but I’m on a lease with you. I don’t have to be on that lease. You didn’t have to ask me.
00:27:52:19 – 00:27:53:03
Speaker 1
Right.
00:27:53:12 – 00:28:06:22
Speaker 2
But you did. And you’re in a position where you’re mentoring a now 32 year old guy on how to deer hunt. And I don’t like you. You know, I hear everything you say, but I don’t hunt exactly like you because part of me wants to figure it out.
00:28:06:22 – 00:28:18:02
Speaker 2
I’m sure some of it out on my own. But everything you tell me I listen to and I try it. But I think that’s part of mentorship too, is like, you could just give someone the information you can give them.
00:28:18:02 – 00:28:20:14
Speaker 2
And what they do with it is, is just what they do with it.
00:28:20:23 – 00:28:40:13
Speaker 1
100%, especially when talking about adults. Yeah. You know, and that’s you know, we’ve we’ve talked about your grandfather, my grandparents, and how special it was to them to have mentored us. And so I think that as you become older, maybe you’re in your forties or your your early fifties, I think you would be foolish not to find
00:28:40:13 – 00:28:53:05
Speaker 1
somebody to mentor two or three people because it’s going to mean something to you later. Maybe it doesn’t now. Yeah, maybe it’s you know, I don’t want a mentor because it’s my turn, my time to kill deer or anything like we’ve talked about.
00:28:53:05 – 00:29:09:23
Speaker 1
But I think I think you’re going to miss out if you don’t. Yeah. And, and the reason I think that is because, again, it’s just my experience. 20 years ago, I didn’t I wasn’t looking to teaching him how I had my, you know, my hands full, trying to figure it out myself.
00:29:10:00 – 00:29:21:10
Speaker 1
Right. But now I look back with yourself and a couple of others. I’m like, I’m really proud of the fact that if that person is asked in 20 years, who taught you how to hunt like I asked you earlier?
00:29:21:10 – 00:29:35:17
Speaker 1
Yeah, he’s going to say Shawn did, right? And he’s going to tell the story. And that that, to me, as I get older, carries so much more weight than, you know, just killing with your trophies, hanging in my office yet whatever.
00:29:35:17 – 00:29:50:15
Speaker 1
They’re they’re just deer there, you know what I mean? They’re nothing. And it’s it’s funny because I was I if we watch outdoor TV, they always talk about the same thing. You know, it’s what’s important is, is making memories with family and friends and it’s like they’re right that that that’s kind of a to me it’s a
00:29:50:15 – 00:30:07:08
Speaker 1
bit of a trite you know. Yeah it’s easy to say that. Yeah. And it is. Easy to say it, but it’s true. And it means something if you do it. If you can go out and actually make it happen, it’s it’s going to mean the world to somebody.
00:30:07:19 – 00:30:12:01
Speaker 1
Yeah. In general as we go forward. You know, so I agree.
00:30:12:01 – 00:30:23:02
Speaker 2
I just don’t know. You know, when we did our survey, a lot of the guys that did respond that they felt an obligation to carry on the tradition. A lot of those guys that they’ve they’ve not mentored anybody in the last three.
00:30:23:02 – 00:30:30:00
Speaker 1
Do you feel an obligation to for the the future of hunting. But you’re not doing anything basically to assure the future.
00:30:30:01 – 00:30:44:04
Speaker 2
Right. And look, I’m not sitting here trying to call anybody disingenuous or or anything like that. But, you know, take an introspective look at yourself. Did you answer the question that you feel an obligation to carry on the tradition of hunting because it makes you feel better to answer that way?
00:30:44:17 – 00:30:53:23
Speaker 2
Or. Or do you really believe that? Because if you really believe that, you can find ways. And like I just said, I don’t know the best ways of doing it. And maybe that’s maybe that’s where guys are getting stuck.
00:30:53:23 – 00:31:06:05
Speaker 2
Maybe they don’t know the best ways of of how to go about a mentorship program. But I know states have them and I know you can contact your DNR offices and get set up with things like that. And that may not be the answer, but it’s a step in the right direction, for sure.
00:31:06:05 – 00:31:22:00
Speaker 1
It is. It’s clear to us after we’ve reviewed some of the data that we’ve got a group of hunters that don’t mentor or have not mentored, and maybe they just don’t know how to find that person. And we’ve got potential hunters who don’t know where to get started.
00:31:22:06 – 00:31:38:21
Speaker 1
We literally have those two groups of people out there and they’re just they’re not finding each other. Right. And so how do we do that? I don’t know. I don’t I don’t have an idea. But it needs to it needs to happen if if we want the future of hunting to be secure.
00:31:39:06 – 00:31:43:23
Speaker 1
Hey, if we don’t, you know, let’s fold the tents up right now. Right. You know, I do.
00:31:44:00 – 00:32:04:19
Speaker 2
Correct me if I’m wrong. I think the the American Hunting Laws Foundation that we’ve established is that’s one of the things we’re going to work really hard to try to accomplish is is making the connection between people like that, because that’s what that’s what truly leads to, to change to developing a mentorship program or because, you know
00:32:04:19 – 00:32:17:22
Speaker 2
, I see you wrote on your note societal change and a lot of people who took our survey say it’s just changed the culture. The culture has just shifted away from hunting. Is is what they think. Maybe that’s true to some extent.
00:32:17:22 – 00:32:37:09
Speaker 2
Or maybe it’s just we don’t know what it looks like anymore because of technological advances and just where we’re at in 2019 compared to 1980, you know, it’s just a different world. And we need to learn as hunters how that looks for the thing that we’re passionate about, which is hunting, which is wildlife management, all that stuff
00:32:37:12 – 00:32:40:01
Speaker 2
. It just looks different. We need to figure out how to adapt.
00:32:40:16 – 00:33:01:04
Speaker 1
All right, Gary, let me let me back up and touch on the foundation. You know, what our foundation is going to do is doing is providing access to ground to introduce or to take hunters hunting out. It’s been said that’s not what we we’re not specialists in taking people hunting as a as a company.
00:33:01:05 – 00:33:17:02
Speaker 1
Right. So what we wanted to do is to find groups. And every trade show you go, there’s three or four of them, great groups doing great work. One was like, Catch a Dream Freedom Hunt. And they take typically terminally ill children, wounded war veterans, or maybe they’re just children.
00:33:18:00 – 00:33:37:13
Speaker 1
They just take them on a hunt. Great work, great work. And they always need property. They need access. So what we’re going to do is find landowners, offer them the opportunity to donate the access to their property. So maybe I’ll just say it’s in a lease situation, it would be a $5,000 value.
00:33:38:10 – 00:33:53:05
Speaker 1
You want to donate that access to us. We will make sure that some not for profit organization gets access to take kids, veterans, new hunters is what I would like to focus on only because that other segment is being served already.
00:33:53:05 – 00:34:00:07
Speaker 1
Yeah. And we’re going to we’re going to grow the sport of hunting in that way. That’s what we’re attempting to do. Yeah.
00:34:00:07 – 00:34:10:18
Speaker 2
And ATF really tries hard to do that. And they do a great job. They do a great job. And we just, like we’ve said a million times before, we just want to do our part and we feel like this is the way to do it.
00:34:11:07 – 00:34:24:18
Speaker 1
It’s like, you know, it’s like anything else. You don’t care what you bring to the party. Well, I mean, you know, you that’s what we have. We have land of connections. And we know lots of large landowners who, you know, $5,000 doesn’t mean that much to them.
00:34:25:12 – 00:34:33:19
Speaker 1
Here’s a donation you can receive tax deductible, you know, receipt for your donation in-kind. And then we can find somebody else that hunt on that ground.
00:34:33:19 – 00:34:52:06
Speaker 2
Right. And then, you know, our our entire business model outside of the foundation is giving hunters the tools and resources to be able to gain access to private ground. So if someone’s lucky enough or fortunate enough or whatever you want to say to get an opportunity to hunt on a piece of property through the foundation, and they
00:34:52:07 – 00:35:01:21
Speaker 2
love it and they want to try to figure out how to do it on the. Own and get their own property. You know, we have free stuff that we give out. We just that that’s what we’re that’s what we’re trying to do.
00:35:01:23 – 00:35:16:09
Speaker 2
So, you know, it’s still in the works, but and we got some, some things to iron out, but we’ll get there eventually. And hopefully it will make at least a dent in this whole idea that the culture has shifted away from hunting.
00:35:16:15 – 00:35:28:02
Speaker 1
I agree. And, you know, just kind of quickly, the second half of what I wanted to talk about and it’s not we’ll take up as much time as the first half is the reason some mentors like your grandfather’s still on?
00:35:28:12 – 00:35:39:12
Speaker 1
My grandfather is still alive, 94 years old and says he still goes on and you know and so I mean I really do take him up on that. Yeah we are a part of our lives so we need to take him over to and just.
00:35:39:12 – 00:35:40:14
Speaker 2
Yeah, 100% a bunch.
00:35:40:14 – 00:36:02:18
Speaker 1
Of squirrels here but yeah. From the fireworks, you know. But that societal change that we talked about. Again, it’s not all in the mentor, but it’s you’ve got to be open to new to new ways. One of the things that I think has caused this gap between the two societies is, is I think with the advent of
00:36:04:16 – 00:36:10:02
Speaker 1
crossbows or hunting blinds, primos has got a hunting blind that it’s.
00:36:10:02 – 00:36:10:17
Speaker 2
Like a house.
00:36:10:20 – 00:36:16:14
Speaker 1
It’s like it’s like a see through house, though. It’s like you sit in it, you can see out like but nothing can see.
00:36:16:14 – 00:36:17:13
Speaker 2
And it’s pretty impressive.
00:36:17:14 – 00:36:25:16
Speaker 1
All of a sudden you have to have all you got to have one of these or you’re not hunting. You know what I mean? You’ve got to have this new turkey load. Yeah, that just is a killer load.
00:36:25:16 – 00:36:38:12
Speaker 1
It’s awesome stuff. I feel like on some level though, it’s been made too easy. It’s been harvesting game now was kind of a given. You’re going to go kill a deer if you want to kill a deer. I honestly feel like we go kill a deer.
00:36:38:12 – 00:36:40:09
Speaker 1
We want just to kill a deer. We could.
00:36:40:10 – 00:36:45:00
Speaker 2
So I talked about earlier that hunting I’m learning is like a game of failure.
00:36:46:02 – 00:36:46:22
Speaker 1
This used to be.
00:36:46:22 – 00:37:03:11
Speaker 2
Supposed to be. That being said, this year I failed in the sense that I did not kill a deer. But I could have had my my two dogs and my buck easily. I just wanted to kind of test the waters to see like, what if a bigger buck comes along?
00:37:03:19 – 00:37:18:18
Speaker 2
I fell into that trap this year. I did. And that’s okay. I knew what I knew what the risk reward was. It was I paid this money for this lease. I could I could fill my freezer with my limit of deer or I can see what steps out next.
00:37:18:18 – 00:37:31:18
Speaker 2
And I waited and waited and waited. And the season passed by. And that deer never came. I’ve told you what my intention is this year. I’m the first three deer. I see. I don’t care. I don’t care if it’s a spike.
00:37:31:18 – 00:37:32:02
Speaker 2
Buck.
00:37:33:07 – 00:37:34:04
Speaker 1
You’re walking his dog.
00:37:34:13 – 00:37:36:22
Speaker 2
He’s dead. Yeah, that’s just what I’m doing this year.
00:37:36:22 – 00:37:42:11
Speaker 1
So we’re on a lease. That’s your priority right here. Prerogative. Yeah. How about.
00:37:42:11 – 00:37:56:16
Speaker 2
It? So, you know, to your point. I’d never walked out on our lease this year and thought, Yeah, maybe I won’t be able to have a shot. I had a shot every time I went out. Yeah. And I just weighed in it for various reasons, depending on the day.
00:37:57:00 – 00:38:00:20
Speaker 2
So I don’t know what I’m trying to say there, but. Well, you know.
00:38:01:01 – 00:38:15:13
Speaker 1
What I think is in the case to my point of how easy that is, because not just me. Not just me showing you, but the the tools we have now, the gear we have, the everything that we have.
00:38:15:13 – 00:38:39:05
Speaker 1
The cameras we have. It’s it’s easier. And I think there’s some resentment from the older generation towards the new generation that you don’t get it. You know, and I told you a story earlier this morning when I started hunting again at age 27, I had a an amateur steel tree stand.
00:38:39:21 – 00:38:51:11
Speaker 1
It was barely the size of my back. My feet barely fit on it. I had 12 screw and steps in a pouch that I got it army surplus. And I knew if I did 12, that’s as high as going to be.
00:38:52:05 – 00:38:58:14
Speaker 1
I had a safety belt that was a belt that went around my waist and I had a tether on it about that long.
00:38:58:17 – 00:39:03:13
Speaker 2
You told me guys kind of questioned why you would wear that. Yeah. People weren’t used to.
00:39:03:13 – 00:39:20:02
Speaker 1
Wearing names like, what is that? I’m like, I’m putting this belt goes around the tree. So I mean, I can only move that far, but I wasn’t going to fall off, right? But I did all that climbing, hung the stand, stood on the stand, and then in the dark I knew which belt was to go around the
00:39:20:02 – 00:39:32:00
Speaker 1
tree. And I would do it and I would put it around the tree going up those trees with my steps, just bust my knuckles all up. I mean, at the end of season, my hands were just bloodied scabs.
00:39:33:05 – 00:39:46:22
Speaker 1
And then that was just a hunt once. Yeah. And then when it was time, when I was over three or 4 hours later to unscrew my bow hook, unscrew my bag, put the bag on my shoulders, take the stand down, unscrew them, put them in, walked back to my truck that was hunting to me.
00:39:47:10 – 00:39:49:16
Speaker 1
And it’s nothing like that now.
00:39:49:17 – 00:39:53:12
Speaker 2
Now you have these aluminum lone wolf stands that are set and all that it was.
00:39:53:13 – 00:40:04:10
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah. Several of and they’re just all they’re hanging out there. Yeah. So somewhere there there’s a, there’s a disconnect. That’s what I was trying to think of earlier. But there’s a disconnect. And how do we get that back?
00:40:04:16 – 00:40:14:04
Speaker 1
How do we make the younger generation actually understand how difficult that was? Or my just being an old man now? And if that’s not necessary, this is the way it is.
00:40:14:04 – 00:40:31:09
Speaker 2
And that was going to be my question. Is that is that necessary or would it be more attractive to new hunters if it kind of is that easy? You throw out any expectation of killing like a Boone and Crockett or anything like that, but I know I can put you in the stand and I know you can
00:40:31:09 – 00:40:46:14
Speaker 2
kill a deer today and have that experience. Is that is that in itself appealing to new hunters? I don’t know what the answer is. I don’t it wouldn’t surprise me if if there are I know I have friends who don’t want to hike a mile into the woods in the middle of the dark.
00:40:46:14 – 00:40:55:05
Speaker 2
And but if I’m like, dude, I can put you up here and you get a shot on deer and you can experience it being that easy. They would probably take me up on that offer. So I don’t know.
00:40:55:05 – 00:40:56:18
Speaker 2
I don’t know what the I don’t know what the right answer.
00:40:56:18 – 00:41:13:16
Speaker 1
Yeah, I don’t either. You know, I think back to I think I hunted two years before I killed a deer. Every single time I would call my wife and she would say, do you get anything? No, no. And I remember clear as a bell coming back, my old green dodge back from Tel City, Indiana, in an ice
00:41:13:16 – 00:41:29:23
Speaker 1
storm. Do you get anything? I did what? Yeah. It’s in the back of my truck. Crazy. There’s a doe in the back of my truck. Yeah. And so again, that’s top ten memories. It’s almost never the killing of a deer or an animal.
00:41:29:23 – 00:41:45:11
Speaker 1
It’s almost always something else. Yeah, and I just think that we as hunters in general, as industry representatives, whatever need to take note of that. My, it’s not about killing animals, it’s about the other stuff has been for me.
00:41:45:11 – 00:41:54:00
Speaker 1
Yep. And so, you know, I plenty of meat and all that kind of stuff. But I just think that we need to we need to somehow bridge that disconnect.
00:41:54:00 – 00:42:07:03
Speaker 2
We’re trying, you know, and based on the feedback we got on the the survey, guys want to try they want to try to to help in any way they can. So maybe it’s about giving them the tools to succeed.
00:42:07:03 – 00:42:07:11
Speaker 2
So.
00:42:07:20 – 00:42:17:14
Speaker 1
Well, I think this is probably where we can wrap up, but at the same time, we can we really need your help if you’re if you’re listening or you’re watching. We really need your ideas, man. We need your thoughts.
00:42:18:02 – 00:42:28:17
Speaker 1
Are we crazy? I mean, let us know. You can you can email us on Facebook. That’s probably the easiest way, don’t you think? Yeah. Just leave us something on our Facebook page. Yeah. Tell us what your thoughts are.
00:42:28:17 – 00:42:30:21
Speaker 1
Tell us what’s what’s been successful for your work.
00:42:30:21 – 00:42:31:10
Speaker 2
And what’s not.
00:42:31:10 – 00:42:40:23
Speaker 1
Work. What’s been a yeah, what didn’t work for you. And let’s let’s share all that as a start. And then, you know, then we can go a little deeper maybe.
00:42:41:10 – 00:42:44:08
Speaker 2
Cool. Bobby, you had a new you had something you wanted to do.
00:42:45:05 – 00:42:45:09
Speaker 3
Yeah.
00:42:45:14 – 00:42:46:22
Speaker 2
And on a little bit lighter note.
00:42:47:04 – 00:42:58:03
Speaker 3
Okay, so I’ve been I’ve been on some Facebook groups recently and I’ve been collecting these for the past few weeks. I just wanted to see what you guys thought about some of the food that some of these people post.
00:42:58:22 – 00:42:59:20
Speaker 1
We’re looking at food.
00:42:59:20 – 00:43:01:03
Speaker 3
Yeah. We’re going to look at some food.
00:43:01:03 – 00:43:01:22
Speaker 2
Wild game.
00:43:02:11 – 00:43:02:20
Speaker 1
Wild.
00:43:02:20 – 00:43:08:01
Speaker 3
It’s all it’s all wild game, allegedly that I don’t have proof of that. But that’s what they say it is. Okay.
00:43:08:13 – 00:43:10:03
Speaker 1
So are we rating these?
00:43:10:06 – 00:43:24:07
Speaker 3
Yeah, we can we can go. All right. I’m like maybe a ten system. Okay, ten out of ten. Ten star system. Here, let’s. This is number one here. Can take a look at that. Okay. Straight from cellblock C.
00:43:25:19 – 00:43:29:23
Speaker 2
Honestly. Just looks like something some white people would eat. It just looks super bland.
00:43:30:00 – 00:43:34:15
Speaker 1
Yes. Squash some fresh green beans, mashed potatoes and some cut up. What, dear?
00:43:34:19 – 00:43:35:20
Speaker 3
It’s got to be got.
00:43:35:20 – 00:43:37:11
Speaker 2
To be overcooked. Finished venison.
00:43:37:11 – 00:43:39:14
Speaker 1
But someone was proud enough of that picture to post it.
00:43:39:14 – 00:43:41:16
Speaker 3
All on a lunch lunch.
00:43:41:16 – 00:43:43:12
Speaker 1
Tray after lunch, Drew.
00:43:43:17 – 00:43:45:10
Speaker 2
Yeah, I’ll give it a four calories.
00:43:45:10 – 00:43:46:12
Speaker 1
I would trade like that every day.
00:43:47:22 – 00:43:49:00
Speaker 2
It really does.
00:43:49:02 – 00:43:50:13
Speaker 1
Yeah, I’ll go.
00:43:51:15 – 00:43:52:03
Speaker 2
Sunday meal.
00:43:52:03 – 00:43:54:21
Speaker 1
Prep special. I’m gonna go six. I need every one of those things.
00:43:55:00 – 00:44:01:09
Speaker 3
Okay. All right. We got number two here.
00:44:08:10 – 00:44:10:11
Speaker 1
You tried too much lettuce?
00:44:10:16 – 00:44:11:03
Speaker 2
Yeah, I.
00:44:11:08 – 00:44:12:18
Speaker 1
Had too much salad in that.
00:44:13:00 – 00:44:17:05
Speaker 2
I just don’t like the presentation. It looks like it has a lot of flavor. I’ll give it a six.
00:44:17:06 – 00:44:24:12
Speaker 3
Well, to me, it looks like they tried to your fancy with it because they, like, put on a bit of lettuce and it’s like nice presentation on a paper plate.
00:44:24:14 – 00:44:29:00
Speaker 1
Yeah. Yeah. On a on a on documents. Yeah. They couldn’t clear the table.
00:44:29:00 – 00:44:30:11
Speaker 2
So that’s just a work lunch.
00:44:31:04 – 00:44:35:16
Speaker 1
Yeah, that’s. That’s. I would eat that too though. I’ll go five or six on that steak.
00:44:35:16 – 00:44:36:22
Speaker 2
Looks good. I’ll give it a six.
00:44:38:15 – 00:44:40:15
Speaker 1
With Boston Beer, by the way.
00:44:42:06 – 00:44:43:04
Speaker 3
Yo. How about that.
00:44:43:07 – 00:44:49:12
Speaker 1
Well nine that the man you like that you put on the bag rice pilaf. I don’t know.
00:44:49:19 – 00:44:51:21
Speaker 3
A sausage with barbecue sauce on it.
00:44:52:05 – 00:44:52:22
Speaker 1
Yeah, I can do it.
00:44:52:22 – 00:44:56:09
Speaker 2
Honestly, if I can get a cold beer with that, I’m probably into I’ll give it a seven.
00:44:56:13 – 00:44:57:15
Speaker 1
Is the plate upside down?
00:44:58:02 – 00:45:04:07
Speaker 2
I like it. Have you seen. Have you seen that optical illusion with the plates where if you stare at them, I got to send it to you guys.
00:45:04:13 – 00:45:06:08
Speaker 1
I tried that pie, too. It was in the corner.
00:45:10:07 – 00:45:12:02
Speaker 2
No, no. That’s what I feed my dog.
00:45:13:08 – 00:45:15:07
Speaker 1
That’s where I would make fancy feast or something.
00:45:15:08 – 00:45:15:23
Speaker 2
No, thanks.
00:45:16:21 – 00:45:17:10
Speaker 1
Zero.
00:45:17:10 – 00:45:20:18
Speaker 3
It’s. It’s deer, venison.
00:45:20:18 – 00:45:25:04
Speaker 1
But some see them. Really there? Yeah, I’m out on that one.
00:45:28:18 – 00:45:29:07
Speaker 3
How about that?
00:45:30:03 – 00:45:32:06
Speaker 1
What is it you got on the Bacon Ranch?
00:45:32:11 – 00:45:35:14
Speaker 3
I think it’s back wrapped in bacon. Joel, you got any thoughts on that?
00:45:35:15 – 00:45:38:19
Speaker 1
I do. That’s crazy. You don’t like that? Well, there’s some. Why didn’t I? It’s not that.
00:45:38:19 – 00:45:49:11
Speaker 2
I don’t listen. It’s not that I don’t like it. It’s just that too easy. If you wrap stuff in bacon, you don’t know how to cook. That’s just it.
00:45:49:17 – 00:45:50:02
Speaker 1
Okay.
00:45:50:10 – 00:45:55:21
Speaker 2
If I love bacon, I love bacon. I’ll eat it every day. I don’t need to wrap any other food in it.
00:45:56:03 – 00:45:58:09
Speaker 1
But what would you give that honestly?
00:45:58:09 – 00:46:00:01
Speaker 2
Like at seven?
00:46:00:02 – 00:46:02:19
Speaker 1
Okay. I’m still around six or seven.
00:46:02:19 – 00:46:14:12
Speaker 2
Okay. I’ll say seven. Just don’t wrap in bacon. Sure. And don’t put cream cheese in the middle of it. Give the backstreet the respect it deserves. That’s all I’m saying. I don’t know what that is.
00:46:14:18 – 00:46:16:13
Speaker 1
I like the thought process. Yeah. What is this?
00:46:16:15 – 00:46:17:00
Speaker 2
I don’t know.
00:46:17:01 – 00:46:18:19
Speaker 3
That is supposedly it’s venison.
00:46:18:19 – 00:46:19:04
Speaker 2
I’m out.
00:46:19:08 – 00:46:19:23
Speaker 3
Allegedly.
00:46:20:05 – 00:46:24:13
Speaker 1
Horrible lighting pass for a hard pass. Yeah, I’m with you.
00:46:24:13 – 00:46:27:02
Speaker 3
I’m like, I give some of these people the benefit of the doubt.
00:46:27:02 – 00:46:29:16
Speaker 2
Yeah, that looks like turkey giblets to me. I don’t want that.
00:46:29:23 – 00:46:30:18
Speaker 3
Presentation is.
00:46:30:18 – 00:46:33:17
Speaker 1
What a turkey giblets is. That’s the part that’s in the bag that you have to pull out of.
00:46:33:17 – 00:46:35:08
Speaker 2
Yeah, that I feed to my dogs. I boil.
00:46:35:08 – 00:46:37:14
Speaker 3
Is right. Interestingly, my grandma also has these.
00:46:37:23 – 00:46:40:01
Speaker 1
Have you ever cooked a turkey? You forgot that stuff was in there? Yeah.
00:46:43:10 – 00:46:49:05
Speaker 3
Okay. Very rare, but. Yeah. That’s good, though. I thought this looked pretty good.
00:46:50:17 – 00:46:57:03
Speaker 1
Yeah. No, no, no. I don’t know what it is. That’s like. Shaved plate is horrendous.
00:46:57:04 – 00:46:58:23
Speaker 2
Well, I’m not eating the plate. I mean, the food.
00:46:58:23 – 00:47:04:09
Speaker 1
All the photographs of food. So I feel like we should judge the photo itself. Okay. What is horseradish, maybe?
00:47:04:19 – 00:47:05:21
Speaker 2
Yeah, it looks great.
00:47:06:03 – 00:47:08:15
Speaker 1
On a plate on what is the food underneath. Do you think.
00:47:08:18 – 00:47:11:20
Speaker 2
It looks like a, I don’t know, toast or something.
00:47:13:07 – 00:47:20:14
Speaker 1
Nine toast. Six, man. And. You posted an.
00:47:21:00 – 00:47:26:07
Speaker 2
Oh, now can’t focus your photo you get a00.
00:47:26:23 – 00:47:31:05
Speaker 1
Okay. I’ll take a couple off of it. I’m gonna go in eight, though. Actually, if it would.
00:47:31:11 – 00:47:33:06
Speaker 2
It does look good, but you. Come on.
00:47:33:10 – 00:47:34:18
Speaker 1
Grilled onions are since.
00:47:35:02 – 00:47:37:14
Speaker 2
The plates not moving. How hard is it to focus your picture?
00:47:37:16 – 00:47:39:13
Speaker 1
Yeah, and it’s. Did you edit these?
00:47:39:18 – 00:47:45:17
Speaker 3
No, I don’t want to get the whole plate. I. I. I just saved them straight from Facebook.
00:47:50:01 – 00:47:52:22
Speaker 2
Yeah. Okay, that’s a that’s a bar. That’s like a barbecue.
00:47:52:22 – 00:47:55:01
Speaker 1
Like meatball subs and fries.
00:47:55:02 – 00:47:55:17
Speaker 2
I’ll do that.
00:47:55:20 – 00:48:03:02
Speaker 1
Yeah. All day long. Ten. That’s a ten for me. Melted cheese is melted. Well, the fries are frozen, obviously.
00:48:03:02 – 00:48:03:13
Speaker 2
Nine.
00:48:04:12 – 00:48:07:04
Speaker 1
Bye. You know what I hate? Those are the fries. I think those are.
00:48:07:09 – 00:48:08:06
Speaker 2
Those are chips.
00:48:08:06 – 00:48:11:00
Speaker 1
Those are like no chips on the top. Those right here.
00:48:11:05 – 00:48:12:05
Speaker 2
Those are not fries.
00:48:12:05 – 00:48:12:17
Speaker 1
Those are.
00:48:12:20 – 00:48:14:10
Speaker 2
Those are like fries. No.
00:48:14:23 – 00:48:15:22
Speaker 1
Yeah. Those are some sort of.
00:48:16:01 – 00:48:18:09
Speaker 2
Hot fries are in a bag like chips, though.
00:48:18:22 – 00:48:19:03
Speaker 3
Oh.
00:48:19:21 – 00:48:21:07
Speaker 2
Well, he’s saying they’re fries you like.
00:48:21:13 – 00:48:29:21
Speaker 1
Worst thing. Worst thing you can do at a restaurant when you go, you order a sandwich you like. I’ll just have some fries. Oh, we don’t have fries. What do you mean? Do you just not want money? Yeah.
00:48:30:07 – 00:48:33:23
Speaker 1
Why? Why would you not have fries? It makes no sense.
00:48:34:04 – 00:48:34:22
Speaker 3
The thing about this one.
00:48:35:05 – 00:48:36:09
Speaker 2
I like this pretty good.
00:48:36:14 – 00:48:37:12
Speaker 3
Like breakfast? Yeah.
00:48:37:12 – 00:48:39:10
Speaker 1
A little summer sausage will hash later.
00:48:40:00 – 00:48:40:17
Speaker 2
That’s good.
00:48:40:17 – 00:48:41:23
Speaker 1
Yeah. Yeah, I’m down with that.
00:48:42:00 – 00:48:42:15
Speaker 2
That’s a nine.
00:48:42:16 – 00:48:45:16
Speaker 1
Pretty good news piece of toast. And they need a revanche at table.
00:48:45:16 – 00:48:47:01
Speaker 2
Yeah, that table did some work, but.
00:48:47:23 – 00:48:51:08
Speaker 3
All right, so this one, I’m excited to show you guys to see your thoughts on this.
00:48:51:09 – 00:48:54:15
Speaker 1
Hopefully it’s a big message, but it is. I’m live Bastille, right? The McDonald’s.
00:48:54:18 – 00:48:55:05
Speaker 2
Yeah.
00:48:55:12 – 00:48:56:14
Speaker 1
Yeah. Yeah.
00:48:56:21 – 00:48:58:10
Speaker 3
Any guesses to what this is?
00:48:59:01 – 00:49:04:16
Speaker 1
No, but I love the way they put the fork in the knife. They’re like, as if people would be like, Oh, my God, that looks so good.
00:49:04:16 – 00:49:05:00
Speaker 2
What is.
00:49:05:00 – 00:49:10:04
Speaker 3
That? That that is lever lever. That’s beaver supposedly.
00:49:10:04 – 00:49:11:11
Speaker 2
Tail or beaver meat.
00:49:11:17 – 00:49:13:19
Speaker 3
Beaver meat. That’s what I.
00:49:13:19 – 00:49:22:20
Speaker 2
Had as I listen to a podcast where you can this guy traps beavers back in the day and the tails all fat. It has a like that tough skin on the owls.
00:49:23:00 – 00:49:24:03
Speaker 1
Reynolds eating beaver tail.
00:49:24:03 – 00:49:26:15
Speaker 2
Yeah. Is that when I don’t want to listen to that sound killer?
00:49:26:15 – 00:49:29:11
Speaker 3
It wasn’t mentioned that it was tail but beaver the guy.
00:49:30:00 – 00:49:32:08
Speaker 1
Would you try Beaver? You want to? Oh, sure, I’d try it. I wouldn’t.
00:49:32:08 – 00:49:34:10
Speaker 2
He did not. I got to prepare it myself.
00:49:34:10 – 00:49:35:07
Speaker 3
I don’t know what’s on that.
00:49:35:07 – 00:49:37:11
Speaker 1
I take a lot of one source from really that right there.
00:49:37:21 – 00:49:38:11
Speaker 2
He wants.
00:49:38:12 – 00:49:41:17
Speaker 1
Us. And I do have I have plenty, so it’s not a problem. But now I’m out.
00:49:41:23 – 00:49:42:07
Speaker 2
Yeah.
00:49:43:15 – 00:49:45:01
Speaker 3
All right, all right. That’s all I got for you.
00:49:45:05 – 00:49:49:06
Speaker 1
Good. That was my intro in an outro there, Bobby. We didn’t have a little feature I get every week. Yeah, that’s.
00:49:49:06 – 00:49:53:02
Speaker 2
Kind of fun. I hope no one took offense to any of the criticism, but.
00:49:53:03 – 00:49:53:17
Speaker 3
I hope they don’t.
00:49:53:21 – 00:49:57:03
Speaker 1
Watch a lot of films like, Hey, That’s My Line.
00:49:58:06 – 00:50:01:10
Speaker 2
Take a better picture, I guess, is what I would say.
00:50:01:12 – 00:50:03:06
Speaker 1
Yeah. Sounds like a contest, man.
00:50:03:14 – 00:50:05:07
Speaker 3
Oh, a recipe contest.
00:50:05:07 – 00:50:10:07
Speaker 2
I mean, I would be pictures mandatory. I’ll submit an entry to that.
00:50:10:12 – 00:50:12:05
Speaker 1
Okay. You’re not eligible to win.
00:50:12:18 – 00:50:15:11
Speaker 2
That’s fine. Okay. But at least I can show everyone else how it’s done.
00:50:15:23 – 00:50:17:19
Speaker 1
All right, look at these nice people. Go.
00:50:17:20 – 00:50:37:02
Speaker 2
All right, one thing, one house cleaning thing real quick for American Honeybees Association, we are no longer mailing landowner certificates. We are moving to email, obviously. And there are certain scenarios where you as the hunter, you have to have your landowner mailed a hard copy of your certificate.
00:50:37:02 – 00:50:45:10
Speaker 2
We’re more than willing to do that, but as a rule of thumb, we are moving away from that to make it more efficient and just give you a better, quicker level of service as all it’s all it’s really.
00:50:45:10 – 00:50:45:13
Speaker 2
Yeah.
00:50:45:13 – 00:50:50:10
Speaker 1
We’re going to email it to you the very next day. Yep. So you won’t afford them on in an email you can provide us with an email.
00:50:50:10 – 00:50:51:10
Speaker 2
We’ll e-mail, we’ll send them to him.
00:50:51:10 – 00:50:57:11
Speaker 1
Not a problem at all. So yeah, we’re we’re going to try this for a little while. That’s all I got. That’s all I got. My staff.
00:51:10:12 – 00:51:15:07
Speaker 2
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