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Speaker 1
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Speaker 1
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Speaker 1
I want to start today with one with a thought. And that thought is if you are purchasing your liability insurance from somebody other than the American Huntington’s Association, do you just not want to keep your money? Do you do your honestly do you just want to wait three or four weeks for your certificate of insurance?

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Speaker 1
You tell me because I don’t understand it. If you are if you get a free membership to another organization buying insurance through HLA and then join that group, you still save money.

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Speaker 2
Still save money.

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Speaker 1
You’re still saving money. So you’re still supporting them. You still get your magazine in your heart and your sticker. But you get better service because you get your search quicker so you can hunt sooner. Yeah, it’s it’s one of those.

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Speaker 1
I saw somebody on one of those like shows like Shark Tank or the Prophet. And he looks at this business owner, the new one, and he says, Do you just not want to make money? Yeah, it just it always struck me as odd.

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Speaker 1
But, yeah, it’s like I said, better coverage, better service, the best price. If you’re not with the HLA, I don’t know why you should give them a call. Know.

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Speaker 2
We laugh about it internally just because it’s one of the it’s one of the things where we’re looking at it. We literally did a price comparison chart of everyone else who offers the same sort of insurance. And, you know, there’s a company for like $600 offering the same thing.

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Speaker 2
Then you got to wait six weeks for your certificate. And when you see it on paper and obviously we’re a little biased, but when you see it on paper, it’s not even a comparison. It’s almost a no brainer.

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Speaker 2
I think we’ve obviously used that terminology.

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Speaker 1
We have. I mean, it’s yeah, that’s the way they’ve always done it. So they feel good, they feel safe. And look, we get it, man. Insurance is not the sexiest topic we understand. I mean, you know, we we’ve created an entire company really based around that, at least that central product, right?

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Speaker 1
We’ve got social platforms. We got all kinds of stuff that, again, centers around insurance. We get.

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Speaker 2
This podcast, this.

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Speaker 1
Podcast. This is not exciting and we’re not gonna talk about it a whole lot longer. Yeah, we wanna bring value to other ways, but yeah, at the center of everything is taking care of your landowner so that you can hunt.

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Speaker 1
And you know, that’s central to that. And we do it. I know better than anybody.

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Speaker 2
So 100%.

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Speaker 1
Yeah I will climb down off my my virtual.

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Speaker 2
Well before we go before we get it get off there. You got an email. We have the new guides and outfitters policy, master policy and you got an email from a guy that literally said it can not all caps cannot be this easy.

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Speaker 2
I need someone to call me. And your response is kind of like, how hard do you want me to make it for me?

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Speaker 1
Do you? How much do you want to pay you.

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Speaker 2
To make it as difficult as you want?

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Speaker 1
I can, I can. I can set up hoop after hoop. I can send you emails. I can have somebody call you and then I’ll just hold onto your certificate for a month and then I send it to you.

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Speaker 1
Yep. But it it is that easy. And it could have been that easy the whole time. Well, that could have been.

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Speaker 2
I got an email this morning from a guy that he told me who he was with and he he his exact words were, they’ve gotten too comfortable. It’s time for a change.

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Speaker 1
I saw the exact same email.

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Speaker 2
And it really sort of makes me open my eyes and go, okay, there’s there’s obviously a market for this. And we weren’t wrong about our assumptions. But now the key is, you know, getting guys over the hump to say it is this easy and it doesn’t need to be this complicated.

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Speaker 2
And we can get you coverage and you can be worried about running your business and make it a profit in really no time.

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Speaker 1
And we’re not here to disparage the entire insurance industry. No, there are some operations that it does need to be a lot more difficult. There’s there needs to be more process.

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Speaker 2
And that’s why we have qualifying questions 100% agree.

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Speaker 1
And so we’re not, you know, insurance agencies and agents vital role in this industry. I get it. But there are just too many in particular guides and outfitters who fit into a preset category. And I use this analogy in something I wrote not too long ago, and I’ll use it here because I’ve kind of polished it up

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Speaker 1
. But, you know, most guys are outfitters, actually, until last July, all of them had custom written policies. Every guide or outfitter that needed liability insurance went to an agent and a customer wrote them a policy. It’s the exact same thing as having a suit tailor made you go down to the tailor that you pick out the fabric

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Speaker 1
and what works best for you and how do you look in this? Take all your measurements. They then get the fabric and make the suit. It’s going to be a few weeks. But then, I mean, it looks sharp.

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Speaker 1
It’s just it’s it’s, you know, it’s custom, over-the-top, custom policy, you know, custom made suit and.

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Speaker 2
A custom price.

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Speaker 1
At a custom price it’s going to cost you. Yeah. Or the overwhelming majority of guides and outfitters in this country, they all fit into a preset or predetermined measurements, if you will. And they look really good in a suit off of Iraq, in a nice store.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. And they can have it right then. It’s much cheaper and it serves the exact same purpose. There’s no, you know, reduction in coverage. There’s nothing like that. This isn’t a lesser program, right? The same program. And you look good in our suit.

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Speaker 2
100%. Guarantee it now that we got that off our chest.

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Speaker 1
Yeah, I feel better. All.

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Speaker 2
Let’s jump into.

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Speaker 1
It. No kidding. All right, man. Cabin fever is killing me. It is kicking my butt. I am ready to get outside. And so I thought we’d spend a few minutes here talking about what can we do to get outside, to get on the lease, to be productive and to just not go crazy?

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Speaker 1
Last weekend was decent, but it rained all day Saturday. I had plans on Sunday that kind of kept me at home. This weekend I’m actually going to Tennessee with my wife for taking the camera down. She’s got an event.

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Speaker 1
She’s running an ultramarathon out of her mind. But, you know, she that’s her thing. And so I love going with her because we’re gonna take the camera in, and I’m going to be kind of supportive. Well, no, I want her to hear this.

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Speaker 1
I’m going to be really supportive. Oh, yeah. Just kind of occurred to me yesterday that I should take the camper in, and she’s can be for, like, 16 hours. That’s plenty of time to wash and wax and clean and get it ready to turkey, huh?

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Speaker 1
Yeah. So, yeah. What. What are you doing? What kind of things can we do on the lease? We weren’t shed. I was.

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Speaker 2
I say, here’s what I do now. A couple of weeks ago, we went out, shed hunting. We started with coyote hunting, which was.

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Speaker 1
As a good 20 minutes.

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Speaker 2
Say. It’s kind of funny because you were you were again on me a little bit about the way I deer hunt where I kind of go out and I sit for a period of time and then I’m out.

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Speaker 2
And when you turkey hunt and when you coyote hunt, it’s exactly the way I deer. You sit there, you give it a.

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Speaker 1
Good compare.

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Speaker 2
Give about 20 minutes and then you’re out. You don’t want to do it anymore. But it was it was fun. It was really my first time doing that specifically. So to hear you put your little I don’t even know what it was.

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Speaker 1
My little boat or.

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Speaker 2
Your little portable bow speaker out in the middle of the field and use your call out for that. It was pretty fun. So after that we decided to put the guns away and go shed hunting and we walked to him near the whole property and nothing.

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Speaker 1
Well, now we do not find a shed. And I’ve been shed hunting dozens of times. I have found less than five sheds. I have a friend who will go to Missouri or Iowa and we’ll pick up 40 sheds in a weekend.

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Speaker 1
Yeah, come home. Little frustrating, but that’s kind of my M.O. when it comes to shed hunting. But we did get some ridiculous information off of our lease.

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Speaker 2
Yeah, 100.

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Speaker 1
Just walking in the woods. And again, we got our lease back in July. It was as thick as it was going to be all year long, so we really didn’t get a push in at all. Yeah, there are just mud trails and highways running through our lease.

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Speaker 1
I’m not so sure we have deer staying on us. To me, it looks like they’re coming. They’re passing through.

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Speaker 2
Yeah. We didn’t really see any to find beds or anything where we can look at and.

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Speaker 1
Right. That’s what, you know, it’s kind of what I mean those trails go off from from one end of our property and through it and off the other side. And so I really think that they just kind of come through our place.

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Speaker 1
I mean, that doesn’t mean they don’t stay there for a little while. Sure. But there’s also no food. We had beans, very little food left on the ground. Not a lot of oak trees on our place. So not a lot of food, not a lot of reason to stay there.

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Speaker 1
But we’ve identified some really great areas to hunt next year.

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Speaker 2
You know, just by the looks of it and what we saw this past season, it almost feels like we’re not even hunting. We haven’t even hunted the best area of our property yet. When we got down in that bottom and just the amount of traffic that’s going through there compared to like the perimeter, for example, we obviously

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Speaker 2
we all know we have to be in there. So now it’s just a matter of of clearing it out and getting set, right.

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Speaker 1
I’ve used like a weed eater with a circular saw blade on it before it was a friend that I borrowed. And I think we need to I need to buy one of those because I’ve got plenty of use for that.

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Speaker 1
But we really it’s not so much that we know now where we need to be. It’s more getting there. Yeah. How are we going to get there in the middle of October or, you know, intercepted as we’re expecting.

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Speaker 2
Corn this year?

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Speaker 1
Yeah, we expect corn to be planted and the way our.

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Speaker 2
Property plays out, getting to those specific areas we’re talking about, it’s.

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Speaker 1
It’s going to be tough. It is tough. So we need to cut trails, as, you know, just the path of least resistance, right to that to the trees that we’ve kind of identified. Some of them are still going to be tough.

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Speaker 1
Yeah, but then a dilemma is when do I hang these stands? You know, when do when should we hang them? You know, as part of the TSA, they say they remove your stands and check them and then put them up later in the year.

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Speaker 1
I’m 100% on board with that. We did take them down most of them. Yeah those are we didn’t we will check in to inspect before you get in them but I’m really thinking sometime around turkey season before the crops get planted.

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Speaker 1
We do this work we’re talking about and we hang these stands and we just let them sit. There’s no real reason to go back in there. Yeah, after turkey season, you know, check some cameras or whatever. But yeah, I think we need to get to work here in short order and it’s kind of nice.

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Speaker 1
I think we’re down there, maybe turkey hunt and then do five or 6 hours of work.

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Speaker 2
Yeah, well, I was going to say you’ve talked to a couple of guys in that area in the part of Indiana we’re at. And there are turkeys everywhere and for. Whatever reason, there’s kind of like a a mile radius around where our property’s at, where the guys just don’t see a lot of turkeys.

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Speaker 2
And they’ve told us that before. So I don’t know how high my expectations are for Turkey season this year, but I mean, we’ll give it a shot.

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Speaker 1
Well, the best case scenario really would be go. It’s a mile less than a mile down the road to public land. Yeah, and we know they’re loaded up in there. Yeah.

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Speaker 2
And surprisingly, not a lot. We don’t see a lot of guys down there.

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Speaker 1
Because that hill is straight up and down and.

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Speaker 2
It’s a ton of acreage.

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Speaker 1
Yeah, I think I think there’s people that I just think it’s not attractive, unappealing to walk in there. Right. But we’ll give that a shot and. Yeah. Or we’ll just put the kayaks in you know, and paddle up a little bit or your boat.

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Speaker 1
Yeah, paddle up a little bit and get in some ground that’s not accessible. Yeah. You know, and once we hear a gobble, we just get up and walk.

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Speaker 2
Any reason to get the boat out of the garage? Yeah, we’re good.

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Speaker 1
I’m all for that. So. So that’s I guess we’ve we’ve tried that, and we’ll get back out there the next couple of weeks. We need to put some minerals out, some cameras and some minerals, you know, all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1
And then I need to go down to Kentucky, kind of do the same thing. Yep. So looking forward to it. But man, I am I am ready to be outside.

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Speaker 2
Yeah. Yes or.

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Speaker 1
No today. Yes. So Daylight Savings Time, too. Yeah. Just I mean, this is a little bit of me getting old to. Two weeks ago. I literally at 730 in the evening, I would be like, just get to 830, call nine, and then you wouldn’t be embarrassed to go to bed, you know, then just go to bed.

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Speaker 1
Last night it’s like nine, eight, 45, nine just starting to get dark. And I was like, I feel great. I like it’s something outside all of a sudden.

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Speaker 2
Is Daylight Savings Time necessary for for us here in Indiana?

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Speaker 1
I think I like it. Do you not like it?

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Speaker 2
I don’t. It doesn’t. I just saw a conversation and people were debating it and I was just kind of going, I don’t care.

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Speaker 1
People that look people don’t like daylight savings. They’re thrown off by adding and subtracting one. It kills them.

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Speaker 2
Well you know it throws me is the appliances are don’t switch my phone switches automatically my SUV does not switch automatically. So I was running errands Sunday morning and I’m thinking like I looked and I go, it’s not ten, it’s not 1030.

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Speaker 2
I just looked at my phone. I feel like a half an hour ago said it was 11. And then I had a moment of clarity. I was like, okay.

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Speaker 1
Here’s the only thing about daylight savings. I was telling Bobby a little bit ago, it does affect me like tired, wise. For some reason, I am a little I’m not getting up like I usually do, but I guess that’s fine.

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Speaker 1
I’ll endure that to have it light until almost ten and people are like, you know, God is not in his head. People are like, Well, the deer hunting back in the farmer days is what I’m like, No, it’s not about the farmers.

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Speaker 1
It’s about just being outsides by cutting your grass, by playing tennis, by playing golf, by taking a walk with your body outdoors. It’s just about being outside, you know. I see no downside to it. In fact, somebody goes, Well, Florida doesn’t like it and they’re getting ready to do without it.

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Speaker 1
No, they’re getting ready to stay on daylight savings.

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Speaker 2
Just that’s their permanent home, right?

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Speaker 1
They’re getting ready.

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Speaker 2
They’re not going down for.

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Speaker 1
Yeah, they’re saying we saw the light literally. Pretty sure Disneyworld likes it to be a little bit lighter a little bit later, you know.

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Speaker 2
What incentive would Disney World have?

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Speaker 1
Right know they don’t generate anything. So something else. Here’s a good topic. I’m a documentary guy. We’ve talked about some good documentaries and I have seen and now it’s kind of the I don’t know, it’s it’s a little bit of a buzz right now.

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Speaker 1
Pretty good one is this free solo documentary. Have you seen it?

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Speaker 2
Not seen it yet.

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Speaker 1
Okay. You need to watch it. It’s a it’s Alex Honnold and he free solo climbs El Capitan in Yosemite and free soloing is climbing this 3500 rock face which is just granite with nothing and nobody no ropes, no clips, no safety net, no parachute and no assistance, no help.

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Speaker 1
And he climbs it from beginning to end in less than 4 hours. And it’s just, in my opinion, the greatest single day achievement I can think of.

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Speaker 2
It’s crazy because if you don’t like I’m a good example this, I don’t fully understand what that even means. So I can’t understand the greatness of it. And without seeing the documentary, it makes it it makes it really hard.

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Speaker 2
But you were talking and I think it was a scene from the documentary when he was spoiler alert, I guess.

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Speaker 1
Well, he’s still alive, so everybody should even watch the movie and yeah, he makes it.

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Speaker 2
Yeah. And when he came up over the edge and there were tourists just kind of hanging out there and they couldn’t even read story, they couldn’t even understand what just happened. That’s kind of how I feel trying to picture it in my brain.

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Speaker 1
Yeah, well, he. Yeah, he tells a story and I don’t know if it was on Half Dome, which is another rock face there in Yosemite. I don’t know if he claims Half Dome. He says on a whim, just with no preparation.

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Speaker 1
He’s like, I’m just gonna see what it’s like. And he got to the top. But he said in particular, he’s about a third of the way from the top. He hits a kind of a part where he’s not comfortable.

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Speaker 1
Okay. And he’s I’m going to guess 2500 feet off the ground with nothing keeping him on this rock except his hands and his feet. And he said, I had to sit there for a while. I was he was a little panicky.

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Speaker 1
And he said I had to stand up on my right foot on basically just a not even another ledge, just like, you know, an indentation or something. He said, I just couldn’t do it. And he goes and finally, I mean, I had no choice, he said.

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Speaker 1
And I could hear tourists at the top just laughing and, you know, carrying on the air. They couldn’t see down where he was. I had no idea he was coming, but he could hear them laughing. And he said, finally, I just I did it.

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Speaker 1
I just trusted it. And I stood up and I go to the top. And he said, most of the time when when climbers will reach the summit, they come over the top with clips and a belt and ropes around their neck and stuff.

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Speaker 1
And people always come up to him like, Oh my God, that’s awesome. It’s just so hard core, man, that’s awesome. And he said, I come up in just a T-shirt and shorts and I just walk away and they’re looking at me like, What did you do?

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Speaker 1
Damage, you fall over or something? He thought it was a hike they couldn’t even comprehend. They didn’t even conceive the fact he just climbed up like that. And then the funny part is he started to go down the trail out of the back and took his tight shoes off.

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Speaker 1
I guess he uses just really tight shoes, climbing shoes. He goes, I took those off and I’m walking down the trail and people are stopping want, oh, my God, you’re hiking barefoot. That is bad ass. It was just kind of funny.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. Oh, but yeah. The El Cap thing is just I’ve always thought the greatest athletic achievement that I could think of in a single day. I’d love to hear you go. Are you guys, if you have an opinion that you could have, would be to win the Indy 500 and the NASCAR race on the same day.

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Speaker 1
Okay. Now I’m talking about a single day event. So, you know, you guys can throw Jim Thorpe or Jesse Owens. Stuff happened over, of course, several days during the Olympics. I get that. I can’t think of a single day achievement greater than what I saw this kid do on climbing El Capitan.

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Speaker 1
By himself with no ropes. It’s that amazing.

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Speaker 2
Well, I need to watch a documentary, obviously. Yeah, you do. And I’m having a hard time arguing with you because nothing is immediately jumping out to me.

00:18:26:17 – 00:18:27:10
Speaker 1
Just think of anything.

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Speaker 2
You’re not doing any things that you can do. Two times a day, like.

00:18:33:00 – 00:18:35:20
Speaker 1
Well, a day. And that’s it. Right. I agree.

00:18:36:22 – 00:18:38:12
Speaker 2
Yeah. I don’t. I got nothing.

00:18:38:13 – 00:18:49:13
Speaker 1
Okay, so here, let’s bring this kind of full circle. These people that are listening, they’re like, Yeah, what I have to do with this. So what’s the hunting achievement? What’s the what’s the equivalent in the hunting industry realm?

00:18:49:13 – 00:19:01:10
Speaker 1
Not industry. Of of what he what he’s done. What’s the single greatest day in hunting look like? Yeah. And I. Here’s what I thought of. It’s person specific.

00:19:01:10 – 00:19:01:21
Speaker 2
It has to.

00:19:01:21 – 00:19:16:04
Speaker 1
Be. It has to be, you know. But it also has to have some elements of what he’s done. So is his life was you know, is it worth risking your life? No. So I don’t think you have to risk your life literally to the extent he did.

00:19:16:04 – 00:19:23:05
Speaker 2
But there are guys that do that out west in the mountains and, you know, they get a goat tag and that stuff is not a walk in the park.

00:19:23:06 – 00:19:34:06
Speaker 1
Well, I think that’s where we’re headed. I think that’s what kind of for me personally. And, you know, again, do you take it into turn to what you find impressive because it’s all by yourself? And he would say the same thing.

00:19:34:06 – 00:19:46:16
Speaker 1
It’s like this is just what he wanted to do. Right. And then when he talked about half done, I didn’t finish my story. But when he talked about Half Dome, he said when he got done, he said, I had no feeling of of achievement at all.

00:19:46:23 – 00:20:01:19
Speaker 1
He had failed, he said, because I got scared. I did not experience mastery that day. Yeah. And that’s what I wanted. So then he set out to do El Cap and it took him, you know, a couple of years and a full year of preparation, of memorizing literally.

00:20:01:19 – 00:20:17:02
Speaker 1
He would walk you through each thumb, hold every, every single movement he made for 3500 feet. He can walk you through that. So, yeah, that’s that was his personal quest. So what would a personal quest look like for hunting?

00:20:17:02 – 00:20:37:13
Speaker 1
For me, it’s got to have some real pain slash suffering to get to it. So some a goat, a ram, some sort of a dull sheep up in the mountains that would require three or four days to get there, packing in your food, your tent, and then being successful.

00:20:37:13 – 00:20:51:18
Speaker 1
I don’t think the weapon matters to me, but that’s probably the equivalent in my eyes of that kind of an achievement. I almost feel like, okay, I did it. I mean, I don’t know what else I could do.

00:20:52:01 – 00:20:58:03
Speaker 1
Grizzly bears come to mind because of the danger thing. I’m kind of infatuated with grizzly bear.

00:20:58:03 – 00:20:59:06
Speaker 2
I feel like have no.

00:20:59:09 – 00:21:01:15
Speaker 1
I just don’t kill one. I just don’t. I don’t.

00:21:01:17 – 00:21:19:04
Speaker 2
Sure thing. To me seems like it would it would have more weight to it than just the hardship of the hunt itself. Just because, you know, people do campaigns comes to mind. People love campaigns. People hate campaigns for some reason.

00:21:19:13 – 00:21:29:14
Speaker 2
But you cannot ignore the fact the guy is a freak athlete and his work ethic is insane. Anyone who runs 200 miles at a time. That’s insane.

00:21:29:14 – 00:21:30:05
Speaker 1
Yeah, it’s tough.

00:21:30:07 – 00:21:46:23
Speaker 2
So you know those things you can train your body for. And some people, like myself included, choose not to have a level of physical exertion that high. But guys like campaigns and there’s a whole subset of hunters and backwoods guys, backcountry guys that want to do that.

00:21:47:09 – 00:22:05:00
Speaker 2
And it takes a long time, but you can train your body to get used to those things on some level and accomplish those things. A wild grizzly bears is you can’t you can’t train for that. That level of danger is it’s just it’s apparent in Mother Nature and it’s either going to be there.

00:22:05:00 – 00:22:08:21
Speaker 2
It’s not. So that kind of wild card factor to me is more is more appealing.

00:22:08:22 – 00:22:22:14
Speaker 1
So the danger. Yeah. So what’s dangerous about being around the grizzly bear and. I don’t have a being around. That’s what I want to do. I just want to be in the presence. Yeah. Grizzly bear. So I’m guessing 100 yards.

00:22:22:15 – 00:22:26:07
Speaker 1
Most experts, I’m not would say that’s. That’s legit.

00:22:26:08 – 00:22:28:01
Speaker 2
Oh, they cover 100 yards there.

00:22:28:02 – 00:22:36:17
Speaker 1
Right. And so I really would just I would love to take pictures of a grizzly bear. I don’t I have no desire to shoot one. I don’t. I’m good with anybody else.

00:22:36:17 – 00:22:47:05
Speaker 2
So I can agree with that, though, because it just putting yourself in that scenario, whatever the goal is, whether it’s just to take pictures, whether it’s actually kill it as a trophy, whatever you want to do to me is irrelevant.

00:22:47:05 – 00:23:02:11
Speaker 2
Just being in that dangerous scenario and experiencing that and basically coming out of it alive. Yeah, would give me more of a rush than just, you know, kicking my ass over seven, seven days hiking and getting somewhere really hard.

00:23:02:18 – 00:23:04:02
Speaker 2
I don’t know. That’s just kind of how I.

00:23:04:12 – 00:23:17:05
Speaker 1
Yeah, I use I like to suffer part. I like the grueling part of it. Well, I don’t like it. It appeals to me, you know. So yeah, we’ve brought up or we’ve talked about our little Grand Canyon trip.

00:23:17:07 – 00:23:32:22
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah. I’m on the verge of maybe of making some decisions to ensure that I’m in that kind of condition, you know, because Kim Haynes is near my age. I’m 53, I think. I don’t think it’s a little bit.

00:23:32:22 – 00:23:33:20
Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah, he’s a little bit.

00:23:33:20 – 00:23:48:10
Speaker 1
Younger but he’s there. Yeah, he’s right there. Yeah. He’s got some gray hair. I, yeah. I don’t know, I don’t, I don’t know commit anything so I can’t go much further. But yeah, I’m on the verge of saying we’ve got a year and 13 months basically.

00:23:48:10 – 00:24:01:10
Speaker 1
Yeah. To prepare and we’re going to do the Grand Canyon, Antelope Zion, Bryce, Death Valley, Yosemite, which I want to do el cap, just the hike up the back. So to do those things, but I’ll be 55 then.

00:24:02:11 – 00:24:12:16
Speaker 2
There’s a certain level of physical fitness you have to be in there is just to enjoy them because you could see you like the pain and suffering all you want, but it also, it, it sucks while you’re going through it.

00:24:12:16 – 00:24:27:17
Speaker 2
Oh, it does. And it definitely we’ve had the conversation before you and I were you say just the thoughts going through your brain as you’re going through it. It’s not enjoyable at that specific moment. Right. But the whole experience overall becomes a memory and something worthwhile.

00:24:27:17 – 00:24:38:00
Speaker 1
But I think it’s going to take more of a commitment on at least my in. Yeah. To to enjoy that trip. Sure. You know because I do want to do one hike and then kind of just peter out a little bit.

00:24:38:01 – 00:24:53:23
Speaker 1
Right. So let’s talk about this. The survey. Yeah, we are sending out a survey and I’m I’m going to talk in generic terms because, you know, I’m going to assume not everybody now, you know, that hunch is going to listen our podcast or hear us.

00:24:54:17 – 00:25:15:17
Speaker 1
But since I started here, which is a little over five years ago now, there’s never been any definitive metrics taken on the hunting lease industry, the attitudes toward leasing. I think they’ve changed. So we are we’ve created our A survey, it’s a Hunter access survey.

00:25:16:10 – 00:25:32:09
Speaker 1
The questions are asked in a very generic slash objective manner. And we want legitimate statistics and metrics on how many hunters do lease. Right. What are your you know, have your attitudes about it changed over the last five years?

00:25:32:16 – 00:25:46:21
Speaker 1
Do you mentor young hunters? How do you access your hunting property? How do you think you’ll access hunting property in future? All those type things. It’s it’s takes less than 4 minutes, 5 minutes, less than 5 minutes. And we’re going start pushing it out.

00:25:47:06 – 00:26:09:15
Speaker 1
And we would encourage really almost beg you to take this survey and give us your honest feedback. And if you do, then we will donate a dollar to one of four charities you can choose. Yeah. So our charities are not for not for profits or the Trust and Safety Awareness Initiative, which we’re very involved in and very

00:26:09:15 – 00:26:26:18
Speaker 1
passionate about. The Ducks Unlimited catch injury, which takes terminally ill children on their hunt of a lifetime, which I, you know, I needs really no help on my part to to to promote it. But, man, what a terrific job they do.

00:26:26:22 – 00:26:44:18
Speaker 1
And then the last one is our own foundation, the American Hunting Leagues Foundation, which is working to secure access for groups like Catch Your Dream. Right. Okay. So yeah, if you’ll take the the survey and then at the end, the last question is which of these four charities would you like for us to donate a dollar to

00:26:45:02 – 00:27:03:16
Speaker 1
on your behalf? And we will do that up to 10,000. So I would love to get 10,000 responses. Yeah, that would be just terrific survey and sampling of information that we could then actually create and make some sort of I won’t say predictions, but projections.

00:27:03:22 – 00:27:07:19
Speaker 1
And we can use those for the benefit of everybody that hunts. Right.

00:27:08:05 – 00:27:23:10
Speaker 2
You know, the survey we’ve put a we put a lot of work into it because we wanted to make it. We didn’t want to craft. Questions in a way that would give pro leasing answers. Obviously, we’re probably seen we’re not going to sit here and say that we’re not.

00:27:24:10 – 00:27:44:21
Speaker 2
But there’s there’s a lot of knowledge in getting people’s true opinions. And if if we get 10,000 survey responses and it’s split down the middle versus pro and anti leasing, you know, we’re going to take that information and we’re going to put it out there and we’re going to publish it for everybody to see, because as long

00:27:44:21 – 00:28:04:02
Speaker 2
as we’re having the conversation around what is helping and hurting the hunting, the hunting industry, leases, access, whatever you want to call it, then that’s where the conversation can start. And that’s what our entire goal is. You know, our partners, we had Sean Curran on from Sportsman’s Alliance, I think, episode two, and he talks about death by

00:28:04:02 – 00:28:22:15
Speaker 2
a thousand cuts. And basically all these anti-hunting organizations with huge banks behind them are able to offer bank accounts, I should say, behind them, are able to just attack little things and take a side door in and, you know, try to dismantle everything that, you know, we’ve worked for.

00:28:22:15 – 00:28:36:15
Speaker 2
We’re passionate about whatever you want to call it. And Sportsmen’s Alliance themselves, they have a they have a petition going now. You just put your name and email address and you sign it and it’s to save hunting, basically.

00:28:37:01 – 00:28:52:11
Speaker 2
Um, and then also on Sportsmen’s Alliance homepage is the National Shooting Sports Foundation. They are doing a campaign basically it’s called, I think, plus one campaign. And it’s a it’s a mentorship program. And you guys.

00:28:52:15 – 00:28:53:00
Speaker 1
Have not heard.

00:28:53:00 – 00:29:04:19
Speaker 2
Of that. So and we’ll look we’ll put a link to it in the episode description. But you take what Sportsman’s Alliance is doing on a on a huge level and the National Shooting Sports Foundation with this plus one program.

00:29:05:01 – 00:29:15:10
Speaker 2
And then to me, the survey kind of fits nicely in with what they’re doing. They’re not connected at all, and we’ve not discussed doing this with either of them, but it kind of gives it a holistic approach, too.

00:29:15:20 – 00:29:31:06
Speaker 2
They’re doing their part. They’re doing their part. And our part is to get as much information as where we truly stand as a as a hunting industry. And obviously, we’re calling it the Hunter Access Survey because our position is access will preserve hunting for decades to come.

00:29:31:06 – 00:29:45:02
Speaker 2
And if that access is gone, if if a landowner sells off a property and a builder buys and puts a parking lot there or mall, they’re no one’s ever hunting that again. So, you know, it’s hard to kind of make for some guys.

00:29:45:02 – 00:30:00:18
Speaker 2
It’s hard to see the difference between I don’t have access, period, or I don’t someone else has access to that property I want access to, right. The access still exists. You just may not have it, but that piece of land is still in.

00:30:01:01 – 00:30:04:00
Speaker 2
It’s our industry, it’s Hunter Ball and that’s what the goal is.

00:30:04:10 – 00:30:20:06
Speaker 1
I agree with that. And we’re going to talk about the National Deer Lines here for just a second, but. There’s no body. When we look at this survey that we brought up, it seemed like 100 times down to 2 million hunters in a five year period.

00:30:20:13 – 00:30:35:22
Speaker 1
And everybody says one of the problems is hunter access. One of them. How do you know? You know, how do you know? Nobody. Look, there are, you know, Q Duma and the N’DIAYE and Whitehills Unlimited. And those are all involved in deer management to some degree.

00:30:36:18 – 00:30:58:01
Speaker 1
So the game is getting support. Those are those numbers we know. You’ve surveyed those numbers within the BTF is very is big and habitat conservation. They’ve done research on habitat conservation. To my knowledge, nobody has done a national survey on hunting lease leases.

00:30:58:09 – 00:31:18:22
Speaker 1
The effect leasing has on the industry. You know, I, I don’t want to say because I don’t want an honest way anything, but that’s our job as the leaders of this industry. It is not our job. It’s our responsibility to get the numbers and the metrics that we can and then publish them report on it.

00:31:18:23 – 00:31:20:06
Speaker 1
That’s why this is what we’re doing.

00:31:20:06 – 00:31:37:10
Speaker 2
Exactly. And that’s why we took the Fish and Wildlife Survey from 2016. And we tried to craft the questions in the survey to not be the same as this, but to really try to focus on access and what type of hunting people do so that we can come to some answer.

00:31:37:15 – 00:31:52:04
Speaker 2
I don’t I don’t know what the results are going to be, but we have to we have to try to figure something out. And with one report every four years, as good as this report is, solely every four or five years and and I just we both feel like that’s maybe just not enough and we want to

00:31:52:04 – 00:32:01:16
Speaker 2
help and do our part and a collaborative effort with some of our partners here who are putting the survey out with us and just get as much information as we possibly can.

00:32:02:02 – 00:32:16:11
Speaker 1
Yeah, my biggest concern is that the leaders slash politicians that make these decisions will do so with an incomplete picture if we don’t do the survey right. So, you know, we don’t have to be involved at the very end and make it policy.

00:32:16:22 – 00:32:27:11
Speaker 1
But I would like to be involved to the point where, hey, we got the information for you. Here’s what it is. Here’s how it reads objectively and, you know, kind of help shape things that way.

00:32:27:19 – 00:32:35:12
Speaker 2
It literally only cost you less than 5 minutes of your time to take the survey. And we will donate to a nonprofit on your behalf.

00:32:35:12 – 00:32:50:04
Speaker 1
Yeah, I mean, you’re going to make a legit contribution by taking this survey on at least two different fronts. So back to the Indiana National Deer Alliance. We have, as of last week, agreed with the mandate to be a supporter.

00:32:51:00 – 00:33:05:17
Speaker 1
So we have made a contribution or I think, frankly, the checks being cut right now. And so we will be an official supporter of the National Deer Alliance for the work that they do. And one of those big, you know, things that they’re doing is looking at Hunter access.

00:33:05:20 – 00:33:19:00
Speaker 1
Yep. So, you know, with any luck or if we can show some value here, then certainly will be involved in some of those discussions, I would hope, down the line, but we’re real proud of that. The pledge to protect hunting is what that was.

00:33:19:00 – 00:33:26:21
Speaker 1
That’s what that is with the Sportsmen’s Alliance. And of course, they make a great point in this, and we ought to put this out on social, too, if we haven’t already. And I know it’s a newsletter, we’ll.

00:33:26:21 – 00:33:28:23
Speaker 2
Just share it and then we will put the link in.

00:33:28:23 – 00:33:32:23
Speaker 1
The Yeah takes pledge. All you get is go to our website, click a box. I mean that’s really it’s on there, it’s.

00:33:32:23 – 00:33:34:08
Speaker 2
On their homepage, something.

00:33:34:08 – 00:33:52:03
Speaker 1
Where the Humane Society of the United States, which is not the Humane Society in your local shelter. We get it. This is an anti-hunting group with a budget of over $150 million a year. And they have a pledge right now to stop trophy hunting.

00:33:53:16 – 00:34:09:08
Speaker 1
That’s what their goal is, is to stop trophy hunting. Whether you trophy hunt or you hunt for meat, you’re still hunting. And an attack on one of us is an attack on all of us. And we need to step up and say, no, I support the Sportsmen’s Alliance, the work they’re doing, and I’m here to protect hunting

00:34:11:11 – 00:34:23:13
Speaker 1
. What in the world are we talking about when the word trophy is a bad thing? Is it a bad thing? You got a trophy? I mean, you know, your kids come home with the trophy. Yeah. Oh, I mean, somebody didn’t get a trophy.

00:34:23:13 – 00:34:26:18
Speaker 1
Yeah, and that’s where we are. I know that’s been played to death, but it is.

00:34:26:19 – 00:34:40:11
Speaker 2
But you know, Brian Flynn, he wrote an article that’s on the Sportsmen’s Alliance, a blog post that’s on about what is, what is and what is not trophy hunting. It’s a quick read. If you haven’t seen it, I recommend you go read it.

00:34:40:18 – 00:34:54:18
Speaker 2
I’m sure you can find it on their blog, but I think it’s there’s just been a distortion around the trophy, the word trophy hunting and what the intentions of trophy hunting are to, frankly, to people who don’t hunt.

00:34:55:02 – 00:35:02:05
Speaker 1
To people who do not hunt. Right. Do not know what the hell they’re talking about. Right. Right. So, yeah, I.

00:35:02:05 – 00:35:20:11
Speaker 2
Have a I mean, it’s and Brian’s article will go into it, but I killed my I killed my first deer little six point on my birthday two years ago. That’s a trophy to me. Right. Anybody else? You know, even to the point where I got a little pissed because my mom came over, she came down from northern

00:35:20:11 – 00:35:31:19
Speaker 2
Indiana and visited and she goes, Oh, what’s that? And I was like, Oh, that’s the deer I killed. She doesn’t know. I didn’t grow up hunting. She goes, kind of small, isn’t it? And I go, Yeah, sure is.

00:35:31:20 – 00:35:44:15
Speaker 2
And you know, but to me it was, you know, and we’ve talked about this before that the feeling I got when when that happened and everything I had to do leading up to that moment and then texting you and I, that that’s all part of the experience.

00:35:44:15 – 00:35:59:08
Speaker 2
And every time I see that deer, I’m like, dude, that’s that’s a trophy to there. That’s it. So yeah, we obviously stand behind the Sportsmen’s Alliance 100% and everything they’re doing and we’re glad to be supporting them. So we’ll put the link there.

00:35:59:08 – 00:36:12:19
Speaker 2
Just go sign the pledge. I mean, I did it today when I saw the flag, it literally took me under 30 seconds to do. They sent me a confirmation email saying thank you for your support. Kind of went into what they’re trying to do and they’ll just keep you abreast on all the stuff that that comes up

00:36:12:19 – 00:36:13:02
Speaker 2
with it.

00:36:13:07 – 00:36:23:23
Speaker 1
Yeah. Yeah. Very, very good dudes for sure. Yeah. So if you’re looking for any kind of agent or a group to support, the Sportsmen’s Alliance is a fantastic group. Okay. Let’s wrap up here with kind of a teaser.

00:36:24:00 – 00:36:43:13
Speaker 1
Okay. The zombie deer apocalypse has hit and everybody’s talking about it. Yeah, it’s absolutely ridiculous. It’s like the wolf coyote thing. The whoa yo deer. What, 80? Why, Odie, we talked about last one. So one. I’ll tell you this, I don’t really understand the whole CWG thing.

00:36:44:15 – 00:36:55:16
Speaker 1
I don’t think it’s overly interesting to me. It’s because it’s so divided and both sides of the hunting industry are.

00:36:55:17 – 00:36:57:17
Speaker 2
It’s really bringing out the conspiracy theories of.

00:36:58:01 – 00:37:17:22
Speaker 1
The early years and I don’t know exactly who to believe. There are no zombie deer. Rest assured that, okay, there are no zombies, you know, deer coming after you. Other than that, this is a serious topic that needs to be discussed by people smarter than I am, that are more educated than I am 100%.

00:37:17:22 – 00:37:32:18
Speaker 1
So I would like to, in the next two or three episodes, have at least two episodes where we devote a podcast to the pro CWA crowd that those that think it’s a real thing, a real problem, that it needs to be solved.

00:37:32:23 – 00:37:46:21
Speaker 1
And then those that think it’s I’m not going to say a hoax because the people who don’t think it’s a problem don’t say it doesn’t exist. It exists. They don’t think it exists to the extent that the other side thinks it exists.

00:37:46:21 – 00:37:54:12
Speaker 1
That’s been my take on it so far. So I think that’s that’s where what we need to do next, you know, to bring some light on.

00:37:54:17 – 00:38:06:02
Speaker 2
It’s always it’s this is anecdotal, obviously, but last season really when I was driving in the lease to hunt one morning, I had to I had to stop in a 24 hour Walmart just a I don’t even remember what I need to get.

00:38:06:02 – 00:38:07:08
Speaker 2
I needed something for that day.

00:38:07:11 – 00:38:07:19
Speaker 1
Tasty.

00:38:08:02 – 00:38:19:06
Speaker 2
Sell something. Yeah. And you know the woman there working there, she saw I was wearing my hunting clothes and stuff and she saw what I was buying and she goes, Oh, you’re going to Deer Hunter? I said, Yep.

00:38:19:19 – 00:38:32:05
Speaker 2
She goes, Well, you got to be careful, okay? Because my uncle back in the seventies shot a deer and he got mad cow disease and died. So there’s always Oh boy. And she was adamant on it. And I you know, I assured her I would be careful and I would for you.

00:38:32:05 – 00:38:52:09
Speaker 2
Yeah. So, yeah, I put her worries to rest. But, you know, even that small situation looking back on it makes me laugh because there’s always been some semblance of of a zombie deer disease going around and people are going to have small town stories or, you know, you know, bigger proof of whatever they believe on the topic

00:38:52:14 – 00:39:08:18
Speaker 2
. But like you said, it’s it’s been going on for feels like close to a year now. And a lot of different prominent guys in the industry have talked about it and they’re even divided on it. So it’s to me, it is an interesting topic only because I think the conversation around it is fascinating.

00:39:08:18 – 00:39:13:03
Speaker 2
And like I said, the conspiracy theorists around it, those are that’s the entertaining part to me.

00:39:13:07 – 00:39:25:03
Speaker 1
I will do my best to make it interesting, I promise you if. We get some people on here, I will ask them some pointed questions and we will figure out now, you know, we’re in Indiana. We have no I’ve not been affected by this at all.

00:39:25:09 – 00:39:40:01
Speaker 1
If I lived in Wisconsin or, you know, Michigan or some places that have tested positive, I probably would feel different. So we’ll do the best. I’ll be educated along with our listeners at the same time, and maybe we can come to some type of conclusion.

00:39:40:18 – 00:39:54:23
Speaker 1
I know the National Deer Alliance is working on probably 80, 85% of their work right now is on S.W.A.T.. Okay. And so Nick Penn is was probably the first person we need to have on. Sure. And explain to us what it is and where we’re going from there.

00:39:54:23 – 00:40:08:09
Speaker 1
So what else do you have for the good of the order? Not about it. Yeah. We are email inserts. Yes. That thing works like a charm. If you buy insurance on your shirt the next day emailed to you.

00:40:09:18 – 00:40:22:11
Speaker 1
Nobody else is doing that that I know of. So last one. Last appeal, if you are. Well, I’m just to tell you this. Don’t renew your hunting lease insurance with another company until you check us out. I guarantee you we’ll keep you here.

00:40:22:14 – 00:40:33:03
Speaker 2
You’ve got a hunting lease, dawg. Right there. Top thing on our website. Put in your acres. How many landowners you have in and what state you say. Get a quote. It tells you the number right there. You’re done in under 5 seconds.

00:40:33:03 – 00:40:33:13
Speaker 2
And, you know.

00:40:33:14 – 00:40:34:13
Speaker 1
It’s just that.

00:40:34:13 – 00:40:36:07
Speaker 2
Easy. It is just that easy.

00:40:36:07 – 00:40:38:04
Speaker 1
Right on. All right. See you guys next time.

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Speaker 2
See it.