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Speaker 1
I. Okay. Well, we are back for episode number three of the American Hunting Podcast. Sean for a brush along with my friend and coworker and partner in hunting, John Matheny. Before you started, real quick, I do want to mention that the American Hunting Podcast is brought to you by the American Hunting Lease Association.
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Speaker 1
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Speaker 1
Protect your landowner and yourself with the HLA complete risk management package. So there you have it all. Of course, we want to thank everybody for tuning in, for for downloading the podcast and for listening wherever you are. I would love to think that you’re in a hunting blind somewhere or in a tree, and you’ve got either your
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Speaker 1
phone on really low, as I have in the past, or you’re listening in your truck on your way to hunt or somewhere even maybe even on a plane. So thank you. And it’s we are greatly appreciative of it.
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Speaker 2
This is a big episode for us. Leasing, obviously, is the cornerstone of what they actually is and what we do and what we stand for. So this was an originally done, I believe it was the Deer and Turkey Expo.
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Speaker 2
You did this presentation.
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Speaker 1
Indianapolis. In Indianapolis.
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Speaker 2
Yes. And then we turned that into basically a voiceover video for our website, almost like an explainer video about all things hunting. I think we called it The Truth About Hunting Leases. Right? The more we talked about topics for this podcast, it was kind of like a no brainer.
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Speaker 2
We need to go over this thing. This is what we do. So we decided to make it into an episode. And that’s why if you’re seeing us on YouTube or Facebook, we have all of our notes and all of our paper because we just don’t want to miss anything.
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Speaker 2
We want to we want to be as thorough as possible with this. And, you know, the next hour should be informative and we should answer a lot of questions.
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Speaker 1
Absolutely. And you know, the thing you mentioned that what we called that that video is the truth. And the reason we called it the truth is because there’s a ton of misinformation about hunting leases and leasing the concept, the effect it has on hunting, all of those things.
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Speaker 1
There’s a ton of misinformation. So yeah, if you are considering leasing next year, this is for you. If you already lease. I think there’s a lot of information that you can be gleaned or that can be gleaned out of this.
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Speaker 1
And if you are just one of those people who like to send us ridiculous posts on Facebook and everything else and how much we’re ruining the sport and it’s only for the rich, then this is really for you.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, I think there’s.
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Speaker 1
A deal.
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Speaker 2
That I think there’s going to be some people who may disagree with some of the things that we say just conceptually when it comes to leasing and why we are advocates for it and why we think it’s the best option out there personally.
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Speaker 1
So, yeah, let me start real quick by saying this. You know, in the political religion, all those type of conversations that go on in social media, the one thing that bothers me the most is when somebody just feels something or a way and then they just blurted out and they think that that’s makes it a fact.
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Speaker 1
What I deal with when those conversations are if I see it, if I see our president or if I see somebody say something or I hear them say it, okay, then I believe it happened. What we’re going to go over today are our numbers, their facts.
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Speaker 1
This is not my gut. I don’t think this is just a good idea. These are hard and true numbers and facts. And you can take this as the gospel when it comes to hunting leases. If you have any questions after the podcast, call us.
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Speaker 1
Call me directly. I’ll be happy to talk to you. That is my job and it’s what I do every single day is talk to hunters and landowners about leasing. So I’m happy to do it anytime.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, you’re definitely the guy to call. I think I have a little bit of a shorter Fuze because I deal with the social media people on a daily basis, so my patience runs.
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Speaker 1
Then I’ve seen them at trade shows, believe me.
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Speaker 2
I do want to real quick talk about your weekend in Kentucky, because that’s not a weekend tour.
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Speaker 1
So it was November 10th on Saturday. Rifle season in Kentucky. Open doesn’t open for another week here in Indiana, which is is just a perfect setup for me personally. Never hunted with a rifle and bought a rifle over the summer in Indiana.
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Speaker 1
We are only I think we’re in our third year in the rifles being legal. It’s been shotguns. And so I’ve never used a rifle. I’ve been kind of against it, frankly. But I’ve got a lease in Kentucky now and rifles are good there.
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Speaker 1
So I wrote down, bought a rifle and we were down here for, what, three or four days and on Saturday afternoon and we had a big eight on camera. Stu, just he really he look like a real stud.
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Speaker 1
Well, I end up killing this book, and Bobby can put it up on the screen so you guys can see it. It’s a heck of a deer, but I like the trailer. Can picture a little better.
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Speaker 2
I think everyone you said it to, you did all this and this.
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Speaker 1
Yeah, it’s like, wow, that trail cam picture just makes him look like a freak and he’s a good deer. I kind of score 136 if you’re into that kind of stuff. I kind of am. So but the rifle thing is even more and it’s difficult.
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Speaker 1
When, you know, I caught him walking out of the woods about 30 yards into a field. He had maybe another 50 yards to go before he would be in a dip and be gone. Is it 200 yards, man?
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Speaker 1
I’m not used to really judging a deer in 200 yards with the intent of doing something. So binoculars up, he’s walking and it looks like a pretty good deer. Binoculars down, rangefinder up. Don’t. He’s walking. I don’t even remember what the range finder said, but I had range that area and I knew it was about 200 yards
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Speaker 1
. He’s still walking and I’m in my mind, I’m like, Hey, are you just going to let a deer like this walk out? Is that really who you are now? You know, you just expect to feel giants all the time.
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Speaker 1
No, it’s not. So, yeah. Rifle up. I can see his head, his neck and his antlers and privates up half of his body and put it on him, pulled the trigger and saw nothing. Nothing. And I’m like, surely I would see his antlers bouncing or something if I missed.
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Speaker 1
So I got down and ran over there and they’re like, Awesome. Yeah, good deer, man. I was. I’m thrilled.
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Speaker 2
You got a funny you got a funny story about the truck pick that you guys.
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Speaker 1
Do. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, that’s not, you know, we’re we allow pictures and so yeah, we were put him in a tree. We just have a little RV that we pull down to Kentucky and we sit there and there’s a tree next to it.
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Speaker 1
So we were hanging in the tree for the night because, you know, my buddy was still on the next day and I was going to kill it. No, hopefully so. So, yeah, we we took the opportunity to take one of our favorite kind of pictures, a truck, but so to speak.
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Speaker 1
So, yeah, it’s kind of cool. We’ll have to put that up to Bobby. It’s just me not smiling in the back of my pickup truck, you know, holding him, holding him out. So it’s kind of funny, honestly, we I think you don’t bring that up.
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Speaker 1
I want to talk about the photo contest just a second. So we have got a photo contest on Instagram and we’re going to take we’ve got four divisions in this contest, white tailed deer critters, which are coyotes, foxes, turkeys, everything.
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Speaker 1
That’s not a white tailed deer feathers for waterfowl and then kids. So if you got great pictures of your kids, but here’s the deal. I don’t want pictures of just animals because that’s not what leasing is. Leasing is is being around your friends and your buddies and your people.
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Speaker 1
So we want pictures of people and these animals or maybe you just have a really cool sunrise or maybe you’re hunting in the snow and you just got a picture of some a bunch of deer out feeding her.
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Speaker 1
Yeah, who knows? Send us the pictures. Okay, so we’re gonna run this, like, March Madness. A lot of you haven’t realized anything. The really doesn’t happen in the South until January. February, so we’re all wait till March. You got to put them in now, though.
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Speaker 1
Get them in, get them in, get them as much as possible. And then we’re going to run a march Madness type bracket at the end of February. Going into March, each of those division winners or those category winners are going to get a 100 safety system prize back, use a harness lifeline, some Malema’s shield stuff.
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Speaker 1
It’s killer stuff. I was wearing it this weekend and the winner of the whole contest will get $500 cabello’s gift card.
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Speaker 2
So. So there will be four division winners and then a grand prize winner. So they’ll win this, the safety assessment stuff and the $500.
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Speaker 1
Somebody is going to say the grand prize winner is going to get all that stuff. So we want your pictures with cinnamon. And again, we’ll put it a link at the bottom of the video. Or, you know, if you have questions, go to our website or on Facebook, you can find it if you if you search for
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Speaker 1
photo contest. So. Sure. Yeah. Get them in me.
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Speaker 2
All right. Let’s jump in. Alisyn, let’s. Okay. You know, I think it’s important to start with the three basic questions we’re probably going to answer during this podcast. It’s how does a hunting lease work? How much should I expect to pay and what should my expectations be?
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Speaker 2
And then what’s the best way to find a lease? Those are the three big ones. I think there’s a lot of little conversations to be had with each one. But before we jump into those, give me an abbreviated history of leasing in.
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Speaker 1
General from my research, leasing started around the 1930s in Texas. And again, if you’re regional, if you’re in the Midwest or you’re out East somewhere, you have to envision the geography of our country. In down south in Texas and Louisiana, Mississippi, there are giant, giant swaths of forest land.
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Speaker 1
Well, naturally, all of that land was bought up by large lumber companies, timber companies back early on in the 1900s. In Texas, they had large landowners. They had tens of hundreds of thousands of acres. Well, trappers went to the large landowners and said, hey, can we trap on your ground?
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Speaker 1
You know, we’re literally just trying to scratch out a living here, selling pelts and furs and that sort of thing. And they worked in agreement and they said, sure, for a price you can access our ground. The timber companies, then Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, they kind of caught on to that.
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Speaker 1
And what a great arrangement. It’s a way for our ground to produce revenue while, you know, we’re waiting on timber to grow or anything like that. So in essence, that’s the that’s the start of leasing the obvious. Lee migrated up to the Midwest and out east and all those.
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Speaker 1
The difference being in the Midwest, the farms are smaller. There were family farms. There were family operations. Whether they were, you know, just ag or whatever, they were 100 acres. There were two or 300 acres tops, not thousands and thousands of acres.
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Speaker 1
And so what what had happened is the farms in the Midwest were already being hunted by somebody for free. They were already living friends and family were already on there. It wasn’t that big a deal. Then they learned the landowners learned of the value of the of the the ground itself of just access.
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Speaker 1
Started to get into leasing, you know, probably 40 or 50 years ago, but it really took hold 20, 25 years ago. And since then, it’s just blossomed and it’s going to continue to blossom. It’s going to have a real effect on our sport in a positive way.
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Speaker 2
And that’s what I think people need to understand, is our ideology really centers around. You need to take care of the landowner. We kind of touched on it in episode one where you buy your bows and your trucks and your your scent gear and just everything that is involved with hunting and it gets expensive and we know
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Speaker 2
it. And it was, I don’t know, $12 billion or something was spent in just gear alone and our premises. You need to take care of the landowner hunting, you know, in my opinion, is a privilege. And if I want to use someone else’s resource, I should I should have a responsibility to take care of that person.
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Speaker 1
In anything you do. Right. Any time you ask for access or you asked to use somebody, you know what they pay for, they should expect some sort of compensation. We’re not saying it to be an exorbitant fee. We’re not talking about tens of thousands of dollars at all.
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Speaker 1
We’re just simply saying that in the line of products you purchase. Access is a product. It is something you have to have that the landowner should be at the front of the line, not the back of the line.
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Speaker 1
Yeah. So, you know, and I’ll mention all the brands like like Hawk or Frozen X or Summit or Under Armor or Sitka, all those, all those products that we buy. I like them all. You know, if I can buy them, I will buy them.
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Speaker 1
But somebody at some point has to say, wait a minute, we got to pay the landowner first. Let me let me run through some numbers for you and I download these are to 2017 Iowa Farm Costs and returns.
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Speaker 1
This is a study put together by Iowa State University. Again, this isn’t my opinion. These are hard numbers. A net worth change on an average farm. An average farm in Iowa in 2017 netted 4%, a 4% growth. Now, that’s an average Iowa farm.
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Speaker 1
It’s no more average than that. That’s a lot of work for 4%, 4% growth. Okay, I’ve got some expenses. And this is a you can of course, you can download this report. And Bobby, we can put this a link to this on below the video if we if we can.
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Speaker 1
Expenses and I’m just highlighted some in which these are the expenses the farmers. Have machinery and equipment repairs. Not buying new combines, repairing what they have $27,000 on average. Utilities alone, $10,000. Crop expense $162,000. Okay. Property taxes, 90 $500.
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Speaker 1
You don’t think a lease that pays for half of their just property taxes doesn’t help an average farmer?
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Speaker 2
I think that I think that’s the point, too. It’s not we’re not asking hunters to fund an entire farming operation. We’re just asking you to have a responsible part in making sure you’re taking care of the landowner in whatever way possible.
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Speaker 2
And if that’s hunting, if that’s hunting rights, if that’s leasing the hunting rights and it’s a $4,000, you know, annual fee that you have split between five or six guys, then that’s it’s a small piece, but it goes a long way to these landowners.
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Speaker 1
I just commissioned a couple more on bogs down the numbers here but insurance alone $24,000 a year on average in Iowa. Okay. The interest that a farmer pays. This is not this is just interest. $31,000. It’s a lot of money and.
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Speaker 1
Yeah. And you want to give a boat company 1200 dollars and you want to give, you know, all these. I’m not using all those companies, but.
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Speaker 2
When you hear no for me, when I hear numbers like that, and then I’ll see things online where guys take the stance that hunting is their God given. Right. I have to I have to laugh a little bit just because it’s like these are real life.
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Speaker 2
You know, people are writing checks for property taxes for receivers. But but it’s your God given right to use their resource for absolutely nothing. There’s just theoretically doesn’t make sense to me.
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Speaker 1
It makes no sense to them either. They don’t know those numbers. They don’t realize those numbers. Listen to people. You know, I’m big on common ground. We have common ground with the same guy who says we’re ruining hunting.
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Speaker 1
We probably have more common ground outside of hunting than I agree. You know, so they just have not been privy to those numbers and this this line of thinking it. Sure. That’s what we’re here and that’s what we’re doing.
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Speaker 2
So so back to the first question I had. How how does a hunting lease work? What is a hunting lease? What’s the true definition of it?
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Speaker 1
Well, it’s kind of two questions. How does a hunting lease work? It’s simple. It’s just an agreement between a landowner and a group of hunters or hunter. Okay. Now, down south where they have all those thousands of acres, they have big hunt clubs.
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Speaker 1
So they might have 150 members on a hunt club. And that club leases 15,000 acres. That’s how that works. That’s how it got started. We talked to people from Louisiana and Alabama all the time. And, you know, we’ve had conversations where they say, well, people from the Midwest aren’t quite into leasing as well.
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Speaker 1
And they’re shocked. They’re like, well, how do they hunt if they don’t lease? How do they hunt? Makes no sense to them. A lot of them down south have had that lease or they’ve been in that hunt club for generations.
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Speaker 1
Their great grandfather started the Hunt Club.
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Speaker 2
And those clubs typically have dues and bylaws, the larger ones.
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Speaker 1
Absolutely. Absolutely. But by and large, now in the Midwest or out East again, you have four or five guys on a lease and they are considered a, quote, hunt club. They’re not a club. You don’t have to have bylaws.
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Speaker 1
You don’t have to have all that stuff. But in the industry, we kind of refer to you as a hunt club. So back to your question. A hunting lease is simply an agreement between a landowner and a hunter or group of hunters for access to the property.
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Speaker 1
Okay. In no time is it a guarantee they’re going to do anything. It’s just access to the property. There are people who do it on the back of a napkin. There are people who do it on a handshake.
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Speaker 1
You know, there typically has to be some compensation, of course, in an agreement like this. But that’s to be worked out between you guys. You know, you, too. So that’s why we provide the secret to hunting private land and all that kind of stuff, is that you work out the deal with the landowner, you approach them, but
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Speaker 1
tell them, I understand your situation. I want take care of it, what can we do? And then of course, with the lease, we recommend two things the insurance policy, which you can get into some other time or a lease agreement.
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Speaker 1
The lease agreement is it’s the big one, paramount. It really is because that light lays out the expectations of the landowner and of the hunter.
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Speaker 2
You’ve talked a lot about how the entire relationship between hunters and landowners needs to be based on communication, and that’s where that lease agreement comes in that serves as the centerpiece of your communication. It sets expectations for both parties.
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Speaker 2
There’s no confusion, and it just it makes the whole experience just so much more clean and enjoyable for everybody.
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Speaker 1
And absolutely, you know, there’s there there are things like ATV use on our Indiana lease. It says in our lease, no ATV use while crops are in. Fair enough. Our crops are still and crops are still. I have a new ATV.
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Speaker 1
I’m dying to get it out there. But that’s okay. You know, that’s what the landowner wanted. So that’s what the landowner is going to get. Likewise, in a lease should be the term of the lease. Is it a four year?
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Speaker 1
I recommend for you. I want a traditional annual hunting list because I want to do all those things. For my money, I want to run trail cameras and I want a turkey hunting squirrel hunt if I want waterfowl hunt.
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Speaker 1
I like to shed hunt in February or March, all those type things. I like that I understand the industry or is kind of going towards maybe seasons or monthly. And I can understand that if you’re if you’re agreeable to it as a hunter or hunt club, by all means, you know, I.
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Speaker 2
Prefer an annual lease. It’s just it allows us the opportunity to nurture the property the way we want. And then if we have the first right of renewal the following year, we know all the work that we’ve put in previously is going to roll over into the next year.
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Speaker 1
And that’s that’s big. And that needs to be in the agreement. It needs to say, you know, I have first right of refusal. I don’t want to plant food plots for three or four years and then have somebody else show up with a little more money and try and outbid me.
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Speaker 2
Right.
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Speaker 1
I don’t want that to happen. So it’s got to be in the lease agreement. You know, it’s got to be exclusive access for me. I want to show up and see your nephew there in my tree stand. Right.
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Speaker 1
And that’s not good.
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Speaker 2
So why would hunters, if we’re talking about it’s been established in the south, they’re used to it. We’re now getting more accustomed to it here in the Midwest. Why would hunters choose to lease?
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Speaker 1
Well, you know, it’s real simple. In my case, I don’t have grandparents that own land. I don’t I don’t have a reasonable expectation to own two or 300 acres in my lifetime. I just don’t. So I can actually hunt on ground as if it were mine.
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Speaker 1
I can manage the game. I can pass on deer and hope they’re around next year. I can hang stones where I want, when I want, I can hunt where I want and when I want. I can control or manage that farm as if I owned it.
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Speaker 1
You know, on both what both sides. I also take care of it like I own it. You know, I don’t leave trash, I manage, I take care of it. So that’s why I think hunters choose to lease if you’re not going to own land and I don’t want to hunt on public land all the time.
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Speaker 1
Again, we’ve mentioned there we’ve had public land and I still do, but I want a farm that I can go to that is safe because I know when I get there I’m not going to get walked in on or I shouldn’t, you know, this is real life that happens.
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Speaker 1
Yep.
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Speaker 2
Happened to us two years ago. Was it?
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Speaker 1
Did you know? That was somewhat understandable. But they didn’t know that it had been leased. They only show up on opening their gun season. That’s the only time they’re there. And they’d been on it for 5 to 10 years.
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Speaker 1
You know, that’s unfortunate for them, but there were still people hunting it. If you’re about to say, see, that’s that’s what we’re talking about. You denied access? No, I denied their access. There are still people hunting it there still being access.
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Speaker 1
That farm is still being hunted. But now the landowner is recouping some of those operational costs, which is a good thing.
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Speaker 2
Absolutely. More importantly, why would a landowner, if they’re if they’re not familiar with with hunting or they may even be opposed to hunting, but they have an opportunity to earn some additional revenue on their property or whatever the case is.
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Speaker 2
Why would they choose to lease a property to a group of hunters?
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Speaker 1
Okay, we’ve talked about the revenue. So let’s get past that. They made some money. It’s not a ton of money. Nobody retired on it. Nobody bought a new truck because they leased their ground. Right. The number one reason that the places get leased is because of trespassers.
00:21:33:04 – 00:21:44:24
Speaker 1
And I’ve again, I’ve talked to these these landowners time and time again. So I know this to be true. They say people are hunting. You know, I have 300 acres. I never even go back there. But, man, there’s trash back there.
00:21:44:25 – 00:21:59:16
Speaker 1
There’s I know it’s getting hunted. I know there’s trespassers back there. So I want to lease it. How would that help that? Well, it’s easy. You now have the same four or five trucks there all the time. The trespassers see that they were trespassers are local.
00:21:59:25 – 00:22:12:08
Speaker 1
They live around there and they know that you never go back there. That’s why they’re back there hunting. So it gets posted, leased, keep out. There are serious hunters now who have paid a little money and there are cameras up back there.
00:22:12:14 – 00:22:26:23
Speaker 1
You’re going to walk past a camera if you’re a trespasser. And we hear almost exclusively that when I leased my farm, the trespassing all but stopped. And it’s been a fantastic thing. So that’s one reason.
00:22:26:27 – 00:22:32:06
Speaker 2
Trespassers don’t want to deal with people, period. That’s why that’s what they that’s why they’re trespass.
00:22:32:06 – 00:22:34:18
Speaker 1
That’s why they’re lazy slobs, man. They trespass.
00:22:34:18 – 00:22:46:15
Speaker 2
So it really doesn’t take much. You know, we’ve heard we’ve heard some pushback about well, I don’t know if it really, you know, eliminate trespassing. We’re not saying it completely eliminates it. But by and large, these guys don’t want to deal with the headache.
00:22:46:15 – 00:22:51:00
Speaker 2
They’ll just find somewhere else to to to walk onto. Yeah, that’s that’s all they’ll do.
00:22:51:04 – 00:23:11:11
Speaker 1
They absolutely will. And that’s you know, that’s one of the biggest reasons that I’ve heard for leasing from landowners. Obviously, the revenue helps. Safety is a consideration. Trash has been a consideration. There’s all kinds of things, crop depredation, you know, where where you’re not managing.
00:23:11:11 – 00:23:22:29
Speaker 1
I don’t know what’s being killed back on my farm. There’s so many people back there. Here’s another good one is I gave permission to a guy at work to hunt, and we hunted that place for five, ten years where I stopped hunting.
00:23:22:29 – 00:23:40:12
Speaker 1
You know, I don’t really like it anymore. And he gave permission to his boy and his friend to hunt. Well, now their friends have given their friends permission to hunt, and that’s just how it goes. They won’t stop hunting back there until somebody tells them they can’t hit back there, you know, and that’s again, that’s that’s that’s
00:23:40:12 – 00:23:51:15
Speaker 1
not unreasonable of a landowner to ask at all. So, yeah, there’s there’s plenty of reasons outside of the revenue for landowners to to know the people that are coming on to their farm.
00:23:51:20 – 00:24:05:05
Speaker 2
Okay. So a landowner says, you know what, I don’t know if I want to lease my property, but I don’t know if I can continue maintaining this property, you know, financially or whatever the case is. What kind of options do they have at that point if they choose?
00:24:05:05 – 00:24:09:05
Speaker 2
If they choose. Leasing just isn’t for me. What’s left for the landowner in that situation?
00:24:10:03 – 00:24:25:13
Speaker 1
You can sell it to a contractor or to to a developer, and they can put a mall on it, a little strip mall or a little shop and sell it to anybody. You know, once it’s out of that landowner’s hands, you have no control and there’s a good chance it’s not going to be hunted anymore.
00:24:25:14 – 00:24:38:27
Speaker 1
Right. They can sell off parcel by parcel, you know, and they probably have family where, you know what, we’re going to sell five acres to my granddaughter and her new husband over there in a corner. And then we’re going to sell some back in the back because we’re never back there.
00:24:38:27 – 00:24:46:22
Speaker 1
You know, again, what you’re losing as hunters is control. No idea what they’re going to do. If they just can’t keep it up, they’re going to sell it.
00:24:46:27 – 00:25:01:17
Speaker 2
And the losing control is the biggest thing that that sticks out to me, because if that property is sold and it’s sold to a developer and it turns into a parking lot, you want to talk about no more access, that’s where no more access out.
00:25:01:17 – 00:25:02:09
Speaker 1
That access is.
00:25:02:09 – 00:25:05:11
Speaker 2
Gone. That access is gone permanent. So you’re.
00:25:05:11 – 00:25:08:28
Speaker 1
Absolutely right. They could sell it to other hunters and then you’re not hunting it.
00:25:09:10 – 00:25:10:13
Speaker 2
And your access is going in.
00:25:10:13 – 00:25:13:28
Speaker 1
Your access is gone, but at least it’s still there because they leased.
00:25:13:28 – 00:25:15:08
Speaker 2
And then maybe in the future you’ll.
00:25:15:08 – 00:25:31:14
Speaker 1
Maybe in the future. Absolutely. But once they sell it to somebody who puts up a small barn or like I said, you know, tool and die company or whatever, that and that habitat is gone. Yep. And that’s why I can prove definitively that leasing land.
00:25:33:13 – 00:25:35:05
Speaker 1
Preserves habitat. It does.
00:25:35:06 – 00:25:35:24
Speaker 2
It just does.
00:25:35:26 – 00:25:37:23
Speaker 1
If it preserves habitat, it conserves wildlife.
00:25:37:24 – 00:25:38:02
Speaker 2
Yep.
00:25:38:20 – 00:25:39:08
Speaker 1
It’s a fact.
00:25:39:18 – 00:25:42:29
Speaker 2
It is a fact. So let’s get down to the important stuff for a hunter.
00:25:43:00 – 00:25:43:12
Speaker 1
Okay.
00:25:43:25 – 00:25:44:11
Speaker 2
Money.
00:25:44:12 – 00:25:45:21
Speaker 1
It looks like I’m keeping up with you, too.
00:25:45:22 – 00:25:55:14
Speaker 2
Yeah, that’s nice. How much should I expect to pay for a lease? I know this is kind of not. This isn’t a question where you’re just going to say X amount of dollars and that’s how much the leases.
00:25:55:14 – 00:25:57:19
Speaker 2
There’s a lot of different factors that play into that.
00:25:57:20 – 00:26:06:21
Speaker 1
There are a bunch of factors here. I’m trying to hit on all of them. The first thing I’ll say is, is probably not as much as you think. Especially when you get two or three buddies together and you split it.
00:26:06:28 – 00:26:28:27
Speaker 1
I mean, you probably hung together anyway. Honestly, a lot of people are. And before I get into this, let’s also recognize that we are all aware of harder times when we didn’t have any money, much money. At no time during any of this conversation would I expect or pretend to know what people’s finances are, you know, and
00:26:28:28 – 00:26:41:21
Speaker 1
better than I do. If you have disposable income that you can spend on hunting, then I think leasing is a very viable option. At no time would I expect you to to lease your land instead of pay for the necessities of life, your bills, your children, all those type of things.
00:26:41:22 – 00:26:55:18
Speaker 1
So I don’t want to be pretentious or people to think that we are saying you should lease regardless. That’s not the case. Okay. So how much should you expect to pay? Yeah, you’re right. A lot goes into it.
00:26:57:06 – 00:27:14:01
Speaker 1
The deer population can kill big bucks. You know, Missouri and Missouri. Northern Missouri is high dollar. It’s probably a 30 or $40 an acre for certain farms. Okay. And the reason that Missouri gets high price is you can buy your tags over the counter.
00:27:14:22 – 00:27:28:00
Speaker 1
Then in Iowa, I don’t think they get as much in Iowa because it’s so restrictive as to who can hunt there. In Indiana, I think we’re paying 20 ish, $20 an acre. Now, here’s the here’s what I will tell you.
00:27:28:01 – 00:27:42:02
Speaker 1
This is a term that I kind of coined is it’s Hunter Acres. Okay. So if you’re you have a 200, let’s just say you have a 200 acre farm with ten acres of woods. I don’t think you paid $20 for 200 acres.
00:27:42:14 – 00:27:55:14
Speaker 1
Okay. I think you take the ten acres of woods. That’s all very horrible. I think you double that because there’s probably a minimum of another ten acres into a field or into that cropland that you could theoretically harvest an animal.
00:27:55:22 – 00:28:07:20
Speaker 1
So now you’ve got 20 acres. Is there a fence row that’s grown up around the whole 200 acres? You add another 20 acres. Now you’re looking more along the lines of 50 to 70 acres. Again, we’re just kind of throwing out ideas here.
00:28:08:15 – 00:28:18:14
Speaker 1
But so I think you pay for the acreage that you can hunt, you know, not necessarily. You know, if I have 100 acres and I’ve got one acre woods, I’m not going to pay three grand for an acre.
00:28:18:14 – 00:28:31:02
Speaker 1
Right. You know, that makes no sense in landowner might have the misconception they can ask for that. Asking is fine, that’s fair. But they need to be educated. Sure. And so, you know, I would I would suggest that you look at 100 acres.
00:28:32:22 – 00:28:48:13
Speaker 1
I think good access makes gives value to a lease. You know, if you can’t if when the corn is in, you can’t get to the woods, well, that’s got to hurt it a little bit. But if you’ve got alternate areas or ways to access, it’s going to drive the value up a little bit.
00:28:48:24 – 00:29:04:22
Speaker 2
You know, our our property is a is a pretty good example of that. We got permission to hunt the adjoining property that two or three acres of woods. And we talked about how it just opens up the entire the entire lease, the entire experience for us, because it gives us another access point to that.
00:29:04:23 – 00:29:18:07
Speaker 2
Mm hmm. You know, you’re big on hunting the wind, and I’m sure a lot of guys are. If you have one point of access and you’re forking over thousands of dollars for it, for a piece of property that you can’t hunt, if the wind direction isn’t right, then what are you really paying for?
00:29:18:07 – 00:29:25:02
Speaker 2
You know, are you paying for or are you paying for just the opportunity to walk out on the property and just enjoy yourself? Or are you actually trying to kill a deer?
00:29:25:13 – 00:29:36:12
Speaker 1
Right. And you’re going to blow every deer out there. Sure. Once the corn comes in, you know, again, if if that’s the only way in. But even if you do if you just do have one access point, it limits things, you know, a great deal.
00:29:36:12 – 00:29:47:12
Speaker 1
So, you know, a couple of other little tips that I’ve learned over the years are take a drive around. Well, first of all, let’s talk about that. I would never recommend that you lease a property off of an aerial.
00:29:47:23 – 00:30:04:20
Speaker 1
You know, just don’t send your money without walking the ground 100%. Or at the very minimum, if you go through a brokerage that has had somebody walk the ground. So if you’re dealing with an agent or somebody that has walked the ground and they can, you know, tell you what it look like, all that, then I can
00:30:04:20 – 00:30:13:24
Speaker 1
understand it because sometimes you get guys down in Florida or Louisiana that want to hunt Michigan or Indiana, it might not be feasible for them to drive up on a moment’s notice and look at a farm. I get that.
00:30:15:07 – 00:30:28:03
Speaker 1
But you can drive around this property and look and see. Do you see trash? Do you see where a truck has been pulled off all the time? Is there a house or a blind? A box blind on every property lying just off of you?
00:30:28:18 – 00:30:42:12
Speaker 1
You know, you’re going to see what the pressure was like, you know, in. Deer season, and that should give you an idea as to how safe it’s going to be. Sure. So you can really do your homework and take a drive, take a walk, see if it’s for you and if it’s not there.
00:30:42:20 – 00:30:44:07
Speaker 1
I assure you, there’s plenty of ground out there.
00:30:44:10 – 00:30:59:02
Speaker 2
Yeah, there’s a lot of companies out there that in some are more established and others, frankly. And we have a certified associate program where we partner with brokerages, leasing companies, people who that we feel like are representing the leasing industry the right way.
00:30:59:11 – 00:31:16:06
Speaker 2
They have a certain set of guidelines that they follow. And they they conduct themselves in a way that we think really promotes leasing in a healthy and productive way. So if we have certified associates, if you see our certified associate logo on a website for a leasing company, you know that we’ve given them our stamp of approval
00:31:16:14 – 00:31:32:22
Speaker 2
and we trust that they’re going to do things the right way. But with that being said, you do need to inspect a property before money exchanges hands. It’s just that’s the most responsible thing to do. And and like you said, take a drive, it’ll tell you a story, and you’ll know pretty quickly whether or not you want
00:31:32:22 – 00:31:33:16
Speaker 2
to spend your money. I you want.
00:31:33:16 – 00:31:47:04
Speaker 1
To add on to our certified associate program. If you see our logo, not only have we given them our stamp of approval, they’ve actually signed an agreement. They’ve actually signed an agreement that simply says we will you know, we’ll be professionals, will be trustworthy and all those type of things.
00:31:47:04 – 00:31:50:08
Speaker 1
So sure. Yeah, it’s very important to have good partners.
00:31:50:11 – 00:32:01:11
Speaker 2
I want to get anecdotal. I want to talk about your first lease. You know, when you did this, this presentation originally, you had a funny a funny picture of a woman airfreight out kind of mad.
00:32:01:27 – 00:32:03:12
Speaker 1
It’s not my real wife, and.
00:32:03:20 – 00:32:14:23
Speaker 2
It is not. But the point was, is if you tell your wife or your significant other, hey, I’m just going to spend $5,000, what’s you know, what’s their.
00:32:14:23 – 00:32:17:27
Speaker 1
Reaction to what I want to do? I don’t care. Yeah, that happens.
00:32:18:03 – 00:32:26:19
Speaker 2
That isn’t going to go over so well. But I think you did a good job of and you titled this thing let’s do the math. I mean, let’s do the math. Let’s break it down. Two per hunter, per hunt.
00:32:26:27 – 00:32:30:05
Speaker 2
How you can show that leasing actually is an affordable option.
00:32:30:14 – 00:32:42:09
Speaker 1
Oh, absolutely. Okay. Well, every hunter at some point or another has gotten a phone call, says, hey, we can’t hunt the ground anymore, that we were hunting. And I was hunting on a friend of mine’s grandmother’s farm. She sold it.
00:32:43:01 – 00:32:55:21
Speaker 1
So that’s gone. He called to say We got there, stands down and we’re out. Oh, it’s horrible news. It’s it’s that’s a bad phone call, especially when you pass on deer and you’re like, oh, I was so want to stick this big seven that had seen but whatever.
00:32:57:00 – 00:33:08:27
Speaker 1
So I’m you know, and I hate to I don’t like to dwell on this all the time but I was a I’m retired Indianapolis Fire Department 26 years I had some friends to fire department that also hunted. So we got together.
00:33:10:04 – 00:33:20:06
Speaker 1
I think there were six of us or six of us on this first lease. And I said, you know, here’s what I think we should do. I want to lease ground. There was a couple of them like, how does that work?
00:33:20:06 – 00:33:35:10
Speaker 1
You mean pay? I’m like, Yeah, but here’s what you get for it. So everybody agreed, okay, let’s, let’s start looking. We ended up going with a broker with Basecamp leasing, and they had a 205 acre farm in Decatur County, Indiana, southeastern Indiana.
00:33:36:14 – 00:33:52:16
Speaker 1
I’ll put it up against anywhere in this country. It’s just killer ground. Really nice stuff. Price was 40 $200. So we go down 40 $200 is, you know, sticker shock right out of the gate. It’s about 4200 apiece, 4200 total, 700 apiece.
00:33:53:00 – 00:34:04:28
Speaker 1
Okay. That’s manageable. That’s doable. That’s a conversation I can have with my wife. Okay. So we go down, we walk, and of course, it looks great. You know, just everything you want to see in a farm hunted really big.
00:34:05:12 – 00:34:16:29
Speaker 1
I mean, we could really spread out on this 205. In fact, all 205 acres were horrible. There were patches of woods scattered in drawers in between the crop fields. There wasn’t a place you could go on that farm and expect killdeer.
00:34:17:17 – 00:34:32:23
Speaker 1
So we decided to lease it and. We had a phenomenal experience that very first year back to kind of explaining how I’m going to spend $700. And this was a little boy, let me think, ten, 11 years ago.
00:34:33:13 – 00:34:49:23
Speaker 1
So I’m still at fire department. And we just got together and went to my wife and I was like, here’s the deal. Almost been 700 bucks to hunt. I’m worth to overtime shifts basically. And that money, when you get it, when it comes in the check, take it out and I’m going to put it on this lease
00:34:50:05 – 00:34:59:24
Speaker 1
. She was fine with it. You know, she knew I was kind of passionate about this kind of stuff. And I certainly didn’t, you know, part time or another, I didn’t work here free in the leasing industry at all.
00:35:01:14 – 00:35:13:07
Speaker 1
But we ended up easily we had a little bit more money left over. So we bought some some community tree stands and the five or six of us would go out there, we’d hang stands, we put up cameras, you know, set up a little group text and stuff.
00:35:13:07 – 00:35:24:14
Speaker 1
And we had a ball for I think we were there three years for a couple of guys. Their sons grew up and they wanted to hunt. So, you know, they just you just move on. And so we moved on from that lease and got another one who was left.
00:35:24:14 – 00:35:25:01
Speaker 1
And I think.
00:35:25:01 – 00:35:36:29
Speaker 2
It’s a great point that you were able to take. You said use the term sticker shock and you were able to take that 40 $200 and really apply it to what was actually being spent on your on your behalf and what you were getting for that.
00:35:36:29 – 00:35:51:18
Speaker 2
It was annual access. Yeah. Any, any game that was legal during that season. You could mushroom hunt, you can shed hunt, you can waterfowl hunt, you can turkey out, you can deer, you can do everything you want on that property recreationally for $700 annually.
00:35:51:26 – 00:36:00:27
Speaker 2
Plus you guys got the first right of renewal. You said you renewed it three years in a row. So, you know, to me, it sounds like you got the most out of that property that you could have that you could have hoped to get.
00:36:01:00 – 00:36:13:03
Speaker 1
It did. And I mean, for $700, I think it’s a steal. I mean, guides and outfitters. If you wanted to go with an outfitter in Illinois or somewhere around the Midwest, you spend 30.
00:36:13:14 – 00:36:14:00
Speaker 2
Multiply.
00:36:14:03 – 00:36:29:13
Speaker 1
That’s for you for five days. And, you know, and there are people that have that need as well. You know, that’s we’ve started working a lot with guides and outfitters now. And I understand it if if you’re you just can’t get away for hunting, you know, except for 3 to 5 days during hunting season.
00:36:29:13 – 00:36:46:03
Speaker 1
And you want to hunt with your buddy, you go out to Colorado or whatever. I get it. That’s fine. And I’ve done that. But this is just a different option and I think it’s very affordable. And I think it to me, it feeds my passion and we all have passions and we’re all willing to spend our money
00:36:46:03 – 00:37:00:09
Speaker 1
, our disposable income on those things. This one’s for me, and it works. Now we’ve. We spend you and I on a lease together. Yeah. And we spend 12 or 1300 dollars each. Fair enough. We didn’t have to. That’s the least we wanted.
00:37:00:19 – 00:37:02:02
Speaker 2
We had. We had options.
00:37:02:06 – 00:37:03:10
Speaker 1
You’re. You’re a young man.
00:37:03:11 – 00:37:04:09
Speaker 2
Yeah, I’m 32.
00:37:04:09 – 00:37:05:25
Speaker 1
Yeah. So you’ve got. It’s.
00:37:05:29 – 00:37:22:26
Speaker 2
I had to have a conversation with my wife about spending that money. And you know what? It’s it’s one of those things where, like you said earlier, my wife understands that I am passionate about this. And it’s not like we pay that money or I pay that money and then I never go to that lease or utilize
00:37:22:26 – 00:37:29:09
Speaker 2
that piece of ground that we’re we’re there quite a bit, actually. Yeah, we were talking about it like we might need to back off a little bit just.
00:37:29:13 – 00:37:30:17
Speaker 1
So that we’re down there a lot.
00:37:30:21 – 00:37:47:17
Speaker 2
Yeah, we’re down there a lot lately, so, you know, we use it. And it was a it was an expense that I was willing to take on because I knew what I wanted to accomplish with that lease. Um, it’s actually a kind of a great segway because what are the expectations of a lease?
00:37:47:17 – 00:37:57:18
Speaker 2
If you spend 700 to 1500 dollars on a lease, there are guys out there that are going to say, Look, if I’m spending this money, yeah, I need to I need to kill a burner. I need to kill a big deer.
00:37:57:18 – 00:37:58:17
Speaker 2
I need to do this or.
00:37:59:02 – 00:38:13:29
Speaker 1
Yeah, that’s that’s that is tough to we can I can tell you that this is going to happen and you can believe me and then you’re going to do it anyway. But so here’s what I’ll tell you. There’s just because you lease a property doesn’t guarantee you a deer.
00:38:14:05 – 00:38:33:21
Speaker 1
It doesn’t can a trophy, a turkey, nothing. It guarantees nothing. It guarantees access, access. It guarantees access, exclusive access. What it should say. Other than that, you really have to come up. And I suggest to guys or ladies, if you have a hot club where you have three or four people that want a lease, I would recommend
00:38:33:21 – 00:38:42:17
Speaker 1
that you sit down prior to this and say, okay, what are we going to do here? How much do we want to spend? This is what we’re going to spend. We can assume we’re going to get 150 acres.
00:38:42:29 – 00:38:55:03
Speaker 1
Four of you are not going to kill a giant trophy, 150 acres. It’s not going to happen. So you have to be happy with one of us killing a nice deer, you know, maybe some of us just getting some doz or whatever, but that’s what hunting is.
00:38:55:03 – 00:39:11:28
Speaker 1
You’re hunting. And so that’s what it guarantees. But the other thing is what you talked about is if I spend money now, my friends and my wife are all like, oh, really? You spend $700? And that’s all you, you know, you just brought home a dough or all you killed is that little basket eight.
00:39:12:15 – 00:39:22:11
Speaker 1
You can’t fall into that trap. You just can’t, because now you feel like the pressure’s on. I’ve got to kill a big deer. It’s Saturday, so I’m off work. But the wind is terrible.
00:39:22:11 – 00:39:24:18
Speaker 2
You’re going to you’re going to overpressure the proper pressure.
00:39:24:18 – 00:39:34:20
Speaker 1
You’re going to get bad winds and you’re going to blow deer off your property. And that’s just it doesn’t just because you lose doesn’t mean you forget how to hunt. You still have to hunt the same way. Now, I have a pet peeve.
00:39:34:20 – 00:39:43:14
Speaker 1
People are like they used to tell me, well, you can’t have to dig one’s wrong or you can’t do this today. These are different. You just have to different because I’m off today.
00:39:44:03 – 00:39:45:13
Speaker 2
Sorry, that’s real life.
00:39:45:13 – 00:39:58:20
Speaker 1
The day I took a vacation a year ago, I signed up for this vacation. I’m on vacation. I have to hunt. Yeah, that’s. That’s how things happen. So you just have to manage it. You know where you would hang one, stand hang three, so that you can take advantage of the wind.
00:39:58:20 – 00:40:03:12
Speaker 1
Best. Best as possible. Sure, as. But I don’t know if that sounded right, but you know what I mean.
00:40:03:16 – 00:40:04:18
Speaker 2
We’ll see how it plays back.
00:40:04:28 – 00:40:05:20
Speaker 1
Can edit that out.
00:40:05:29 – 00:40:14:15
Speaker 2
How do you find a good list? What what’s the we’ve talked about brokerage firms. We’ve talked about, you know, our certified associate program. What are some other ways a guy can find a lease?
00:40:14:27 – 00:40:36:22
Speaker 1
Well, I think mostly where you live or where you want. Now, you probably know the land. You probably can. Boy, I’d love to have that farm. Boy, that looks good with GIS sites, geographical information system sites, every county I won’t say every county, but the vast majority of counties in this country have a GIS site.
00:40:36:22 – 00:40:55:01
Speaker 1
So if I wanted to put in Decatur County, Indiana, GIS site in Google, it would show me the gas site. And what that does is it breaks everything down into parcels and then you can find the farm you’re looking at and you can click on the parcel and you can get all of the landowners information, typically not
00:40:55:01 – 00:41:04:24
Speaker 1
the phone number, but like where their property tax bill goes, where their residence is. Maybe they don’t live there, they live somewhere else. So you can really get a good start on that. That’s how we found.
00:41:04:25 – 00:41:05:08
Speaker 2
How we got.
00:41:05:08 – 00:41:15:21
Speaker 1
It, the two or three acre, the owners of that land next to us and we just, you know, a little Sherlock Holmes. And we had their phone number. We called them, you know, no problem. So that’s a really good way.
00:41:16:01 – 00:41:29:17
Speaker 1
In fact, about a year ago I sent I think it was 20 letters. I think I just got on GIs in a county that I liked, in an area that I wanted to hunt. Clicked on a bunch that I liked, wrote a letter, sent them, I think 20 letters.
00:41:29:22 – 00:41:45:11
Speaker 1
I got zero back, a zero response. So it’s not a slam dunk. I’m not saying that we have great success. Not always do we do that. I tried, but it’s a good way to find a lease. Of course, if you just search hunting lease on Google, you’re going to get Basecamp or, you know, some of those larger
00:41:45:11 – 00:41:56:29
Speaker 1
hunting lease companies. They do great stuff. I mean, I always kind of liken that to a car dealership, you know, a car dealership. I can go to a dealership and I can walk on a lot and look at this.
00:41:57:07 – 00:42:07:24
Speaker 1
I’ve got I can see these are all the cars right here laid out for me. And it’s like that with a hunting lease company, except you go to their website and here are all the leases in all the states that you can hunt.
00:42:08:14 – 00:42:17:02
Speaker 1
Ideal are going to pay a little bit more than you would off a car on Craigslist, probably because they have to pay for their website and their agents and all that kind of stuff. So there’s a little commission there.
00:42:17:12 – 00:42:23:06
Speaker 2
Yeah, but they also handle things like the paperwork and the liability insurance. And there’s a lot of other factors that go into that that cost.
00:42:23:06 – 00:42:33:07
Speaker 1
Are included in there. Yeah. So you’re going to pay a small commission and they’re going to take care of everything for you. It’s very turnkey. And, you know, I think it’s a great way to find lease. That’s the way we found ours.
00:42:33:07 – 00:42:43:26
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah, we need to. There’s some, you know, I’d like to go down southeast from Ohio and start knocking on doors. And I think that’s a good case study for next year. For 2019. Yeah. So let’s see what we can do.
00:42:43:26 – 00:42:46:25
Speaker 1
Let’s find let’s put our money where our mouth is. Let’s go stand on support to.
00:42:46:25 – 00:42:48:06
Speaker 2
Take our front porch kit and see what.
00:42:48:06 – 00:43:03:07
Speaker 1
Happens. Okay. I’m sure we are. Here’s what we want to do. So, yeah, I think those are the best ways to find a lease. Yeah, you can get on Craigslist and all that stuff. But I want to warn you about some stuff like Craigslist because and this isn’t a Craigslist problem or leasing problem, but there are some
00:43:03:07 – 00:43:03:23
Speaker 1
scams. It’s an.
00:43:03:23 – 00:43:04:16
Speaker 2
Internet problem.
00:43:05:05 – 00:43:19:14
Speaker 1
Yeah. Or it’s just a post problem, honestly. You know, but I had some DNR folks I talked to in Ohio that told me they had a leasing problem and like, what’s the problem? Or this somebody put on Craigslist that they owned this land that had a picture of it and some folks from out of state and now
00:43:19:14 – 00:43:24:18
Speaker 1
he was Georgia sent him a check and then when they got there, the hunt ground did exist.
00:43:24:19 – 00:43:25:22
Speaker 2
It’s not a leasing problem.
00:43:25:22 – 00:43:32:00
Speaker 1
The leasing problem that’s a criminal problem. You know, but but again, it’s leasing is kind of got lumped into some of that stuff, sadly.
00:43:33:27 – 00:43:47:10
Speaker 2
Man. I feel like we’ve covered a lot. We’ve covered, you know? You know, we covered. How do leases work? You know, what is a good lease look like? What are the certain factors that have to go into it as far as access and honeybear acres and all those different things, how guys can find leases.
00:43:47:10 – 00:43:59:11
Speaker 2
And, you know, I think what this boils down to is that the reason we wanted to do this episode is because it’s not over complicated. I think that’s the point. Is there a little bit of a financial investment involved?
00:43:59:24 – 00:44:15:04
Speaker 2
Yeah, there is. But I can say personally that when you choose to lease a property through a broker individually, whatever the case is, the financial investment gives me more of a peace of mind because I know I’ve built a relationship with a landowner.
00:44:15:04 – 00:44:28:05
Speaker 2
I’m getting exclusive access. I don’t have to worry about trespassers. I don’t have to worry about family members, their family members coming in, their friends coming in. And you and I even talked about this. You know, we have gun season coming up this weekend.
00:44:28:12 – 00:44:41:26
Speaker 2
Mm hmm. Guys, come out for the first of guns. That’s what happened to us a couple of years ago was the first day of gun season. And I walked out there and that that guy’s daughter was sitting at the base of a tree, and I was down an adult daughter, adult daughter and smoking a cigaret of all
00:44:41:26 – 00:44:53:19
Speaker 2
things. So, you know, there are certain things that go into it that you have to do, you have to be aware of. But for me, the peace of mind of leasing a property and building a relationship with a land owner is huge.
00:44:53:28 – 00:45:03:09
Speaker 2
And I don’t know if I if I wasn’t leasing, how I would be able to get that peace of mind and invest in a property, you know, time wise, emotionally, all the things that go into hunting.
00:45:03:09 – 00:45:22:25
Speaker 1
So it’s it’s difficult. But, you know, this is something, for whatever reason that I become very passionate about, you know, fairness and justice and all those type of things kind of strike a chord with me. And I think it’s only fair and just that landowners are compensated before the other companies are.
00:45:22:27 – 00:45:37:21
Speaker 1
Yeah. So you just real quick, you reminded me of that trespassing story. I want to bring up something, cause it was hilarious, and this reminded me of stuff in my past life. But she called her dad that that lady called her dad, and he said, no, I’ve got a piece of paper that says we can hunt there
00:45:37:28 – 00:45:50:27
Speaker 1
. So we had the sheriff out there. We handled it exactly how you should handle it. Yeah, sheriffs came. We stood there. We waited for this guy for like 45 minutes on prime ground. And this guy shows up with a coffee from Dunkin Donuts.
00:45:50:29 – 00:45:52:00
Speaker 2
He stopped on the way.
00:45:52:02 – 00:46:01:23
Speaker 1
Oh, I want to go to that. That’s what made me the maddest. I was like, you knew that we were here with the sheriff. Yeah. And you stopped for a cup of coffee? Yep. Now was furious. Yeah, I was out there.
00:46:01:25 – 00:46:02:24
Speaker 1
So, are we done?
00:46:03:02 – 00:46:21:29
Speaker 2
I think so. I just want to touch on one more thing. I don’t want to beat a dead horse. The only thing I want to say is, fundamentally speaking, we think that leasing preserves access. And I think that’s going to be the biggest that’s that’s the biggest pushback I always see online specifically is guys have a misconception
00:46:21:29 – 00:46:38:05
Speaker 2
that leasing property, paying to lease a property takes away access. And it’s just, in my opinion, wrong. That’s not the case. It’s actually the opposite. And I’d love to have a conversation, a civil conversation, not a keyboard warrior sort of attacking.
00:46:38:12 – 00:46:49:17
Speaker 2
But I’m willing to have the conversation and and explain why we think it preserves access. So that’s the last thing I want to say on that. Um, you know, you’re more than welcome to write us on social media.
00:46:49:17 – 00:46:59:26
Speaker 2
You can find us at YouTube, at American Hunting Lease Facebook, at the American Hunting Lease Association, Instagram and Twitter at HLA underscore org. And I think that’s all I got.
00:47:00:08 – 00:47:10:06
Speaker 1
Fantastic. Yeah. Let’s invite them. If you think this is wrong, you think we’re crazy and we’re way off the mark. Yep. You call us and we’ll have you on podcast. Absolutely not a problem at all. So. All right, cool.
00:47:10:06 – 00:47:22:03
Speaker 1
I want to thank Connor. And one thing, Bobby did a great job of getting this all together. It is as we sit here, November 13th is getting ready to get good folks and we know it. So you guys are going to be on your tres, be safe.
00:47:22:13 – 00:47:26:17
Speaker 1
Good luck and we will catch you on the next episode. Thanks so much for watching and to.
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