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Speaker 1
All right, we’ve. It’s been a while since we’ve just been in here. Yeah, we’ve had guests. We had Steve King here from King, your tax attorney. And we’ve had Jeremy Flynn from Stone Road Media. We’ve had Chad Belding on the phone.

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Speaker 1
Yep. Yeah, we kind of got into the guess thing, and it’s.

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Speaker 2
Which I don’t.

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Speaker 1
Hate. No, I love it. People seem to like it too. So, yeah, that’s a great thing. But it’s nice to be back and talk. Just two of us.

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Speaker 2
Yeah, we got a lot of stuff going on, you know, personally, professionally anyways. So we got to. I feel like we have a lot to cover that we haven’t been able to get to in the last few weeks.

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Speaker 1
And your podcast haircut is nice. Thank you. Yes.

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Speaker 2
Does she mess it up a little bit? But I can live.

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Speaker 1
With it and no worries. All right. Well, here’s the thing. We’re now second and third week of July season, starting in earnest now. I think after the 4th of July, hunters are ready to get going. They’re a little they’re a little antsy.

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Speaker 1
They’re a little ready to get out to the Leafs. And let’s walk around or walk go down to your public ground areas and the outdoor channel, Sportsman’s Channel, begin airing their new programs. And that really seems to amp things up.

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Speaker 1
So I know you and I are planning on going out on Sunday. Here in the Midwest, we had a real problem with getting corn planted. I mean, it was so wet.

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Speaker 2
You had to call the landowner just to see if they were going to plant. Yeah. Period.

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Speaker 1
Yeah, we. It was so wet for so long. I mean, the farmers just couldn’t get in the fields. Right. And we were kind of up against it now. They probably I’m sure they were planted beans. Yeah, but it was beans last year.

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Speaker 1
We were kind of looking forward to having corn this year and then low behold. Yeah, I went out there ten days ago, 12 days, week and a half or so. And we’ve got corn. Three inches tall. I’m like, Oh, okay.

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Speaker 1
You were talking with you.

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Speaker 2
Were talking to someone about how late they planted the corn on our fields. And I guess it was my understanding that they would just have to harvest it later. But that doesn’t sound like that’s the case.

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Speaker 1
I’m not a farmer, but of course, you know, we we have a good friend that knows all about that kind of stuff. There’s one day corn, so they could plant corn. That matures in 100 days. It would be mature and then it just counts.

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Speaker 1
On being dry enough. You know, it’s got to be dry enough for them to to be able to harvest it. Yeah. And the combine not to get bogged down. So yeah. He says we’ll be fine. Normal. Probably pretty.

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Speaker 1
Pretty normal, actually. Good. But yeah, what I really liked was it’s beans next door to us. Yeah. And so we’ve got to stand right on one particular trail. Yep. 100 yards off that from the timber. So they’re going to walk through the corn.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. And I promise you, when we’re in that stand, if you’re not paying attention, you look up, they’ll be stand there. There’ll be one stand there going his way to the beans.

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Speaker 2
I feel really good because we went out, we took I believe you, Connor took Connor out. And he helped us move that stand closer to that trail that you’re talking about. And I just the more I think about it, how many deer we saw there last last season, it’s just it feels like the spot to be.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. And things with rifles are legal here in Indiana right now. We still can reach out and touch them on that 100 or on.

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Speaker 2
Where we had it originally. It was just a gun stand.

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Speaker 1
Yes.

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Speaker 2
And now it’s more of a there’s definitely an opportunity with a bow in that stand where it’s out.

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Speaker 1
Now and it’s a better gun stand. Yeah, because now we can actually reach back where we were. So that’s a good thing. And I was just talking to Tom James here a little bit ago from base camp, real estate or base camp, country real estate.

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Speaker 1
And we were talking about showed him a picture of the lease and like, you know, this is what we’re thinking. But, you know, this food plot, if it were here, what do you think? And he was like he wasn’t very high on it.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. And he said, how about this? He goes, how about in a couple of these little coves, once the corn starts to really get up, you know, high enough because.

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Speaker 2
We just got to hold them for just a little bit.

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Speaker 1
He said. Walk through with a hand sprayer about every fourth or fifth row for three or four rows. And just he said, You’re not doing anything to corn, corn’s fine, it’ll grow. And then when they come by and come by in the corn, all of a sudden there, there you go, you got a bit of a little

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Speaker 1
mini food plot.

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Speaker 2
It’s funny when you talk to Tom about stuff like that, it’s he makes it seem so simple. And then I wonder, I wonder, am I overcomplicating this or is he just that that knowledgeable on this topic, that it just seems effortless when he just comes up with a plan like that?

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Speaker 1
It’s years of experience and that’s probably the thing I’ve learned since I’ve got a little older. When I was younger, if I saw somebody do something, I’m like, Well, they can do.

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Speaker 2
I do it right. I still get that way.

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Speaker 1
That’s because you’re younger. Yeah, I now can admit I can see a lot of different people in different walks of life. I can’t do that. Yeah, I cannot do that. I can’t do that. Yeah. And so it’s just I have a much better, more appreciation for years of experience, natural talent.

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Speaker 1
And I’m taught about professional athletes. You know, aside from dunking a basketball, I still see things. I’m like, I could do.

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Speaker 2
A little sign. No, I was up for the 4th of July, went up north northern Indiana, spent time with my family and my brother and his wife and kid and stuff. And the UFC fights were on Saturday night and my mom and my stepdad are not fight fans and my stepdad, he’s a golf guy, is very passive

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Speaker 2
. He just does a it’s not his thing.

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Speaker 1
To pull her up.

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Speaker 2
Right. I know. And you know, he was watching some of the smaller guys fight like the 135 ers and stuff. And I’m £250, I’m a61 250, I’m a big guy and he’s telling me he’s like, there’s no way that £135 guy fight in that cage would win a fight against you.

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Speaker 2
And I’m like, I’m telling you, it’s it’s there’s levels to it. They would they would kill me. They would wreck me. But that’s me understanding, like, oh, I just can’t do certain things because the arrogant approach would be like, Oh yeah, you’re £140.

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Speaker 2
I could do whatever I want. There’s just not the case. So it’s funny to hear Tom talk about food plus stuff because it’s like, Oh, all he has to do is just throw C down. I can do that.

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Speaker 2
But it’s there’s so much more nuance in it. And he just effortlessly describes it.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. I mean, I thought was a great idea. I mean, I’ve been hunting a while. I’ve never heard of that. Right. Okay. Yeah, that’s a great idea. I always thought when I would watch women’s basketball when I was 30 ish, that and I actually this is true.

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Speaker 1
I still hold this at me. And for my buddy’s going to be in the WNBA. Do you think so? I do. I do. Back then, two things have happened. One, I’ve gotten old and I can’t jump over a phone book.

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Speaker 1
Two, the women have gotten.

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Speaker 2
Way better, their way.

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Speaker 1
Better, you know? Yeah. So there’s no way. Yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s kind of funny to see that kind of stuff, but for you started now you know I know we’re hanging stands on Sunday we have to mention trees than safety.

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Speaker 1
Yeah I think you know and I as I recall, I had a Trista and Safety Foundation meeting a couple of weeks ago that the reported deaths of four Trista and Falls last year was single digits. That’s fantastic.

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Speaker 2
Going in the.

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Speaker 1
Right direction absolutely is going in the right direction and hopefully continues to do that. But I want to take just a second if you’re going to take stands here in the next couple of weeks. First of all, the ABCs, you know, always, always check your check.

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Speaker 1
Buckle up, you know, in your harness. What’s the C?

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Speaker 2
Connect. Connect before you lose.

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Speaker 1
Or connect on your lifeline. I’m on the board. I probably should remember that. But the other thing is, inspect all your straps. That’s that’s what I want to touch on today real quick is just if you’re hanging stands, check them out.

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Speaker 1
You know, take when you go out there, take a little small monkey wrench or crescent wrench, take a socket set. And when you go up, if you have, you did not take your stands down as you go up connected to your lifeline, tighten the bolts, check the straps, the squirrels, the weather.

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Speaker 1
You know, it’s all going to degrade the straps and the cables themselves the first time you put your weight on one of those and it’s just like a trap door opens up, you’re in trouble. So, you know, just inspect your stands, your ladders, your straps, wear a harness even when you’re hanging in a stand.

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Speaker 1
And just be careful because it’s that time of year where people are starting to get back out there.

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Speaker 2
It’s a preventative thing that it takes a little bit of effort. And look, most of the tree stands guys have inexpensive or not, they’re well built. You know, more than likely, nothing’s wrong with it. But do yourself the favor of just just checking because then, you know, you have the peace of mind.

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Speaker 2
You don’t have to worry about it. And you can just go on about your business, whether you’re planning a food, food plot or whatever the cases, you know that that stand is good to go when you come back in the fall and you want to get into it.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. And I would strongly encourage you to not cut any corners when you do. Nothing more infuriates me more than hanging a stand and having one thing not quite right, you know? Well, we didn’t have a pull rope, so I just left it.

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Speaker 1
And then when you come back in middle of October, you climb up, you get your tree steamed like, God darn it, I forgot we didn’t put a pole up on us.

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Speaker 2
Dude, I took the seat cushion off of one of them and I forgot to put it back.

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Speaker 1
It’s another thing. Oh, yeah, it’s painful. It’s miserable. So I don’t even.

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Speaker 2
Really love sitting in them for extended periods of time anyways and just sitting on a metal grate. Forget about it.

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Speaker 1
I just take off my jacket or something. Sit on that. But it’s yeah. I mean you get organized man, just to set everything I said, everything you need for a complete set together. And when you get out there, you just take it all out there together.

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Speaker 1
You know, it’s it’ll save you in the long run. I know that for sure. So a little bit about cameras. I bought a covert cell camera. I hung on our in Indiana lease. My plan is to take it to the Kentucky lease.

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Speaker 1
Yeah.

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Speaker 2
Do we have anything on that yet? I’m not. You’re not given any updates, which makes me think. No, we’re striking out.

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Speaker 1
We’re striking out. Here’s the thing. I put it in an area where there’s not a ton of deer traffic. I get it. But it was easy to get to, easy to get out. And I was just it’s just trial and I’m just just there to test when I’ve seen it.

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Speaker 1
A signal from my phone to take a picture. It works just fine. So now I don’t know if there’s maybe just no deer have come through there or or was.

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Speaker 2
Something else maybe.

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Speaker 1
Yeah, we’ll check it out. Well we’re going to in or something. We’ll check that out. But I’ve always been iffy on cell cameras because the last thing I need is a bunch of notifications or to be checking in camera while we’re at work every day.

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Speaker 1
Right. Especially when season starts to go.

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Speaker 2
Yeah. I mean, yeah, go.

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Speaker 1
Yeah, I know. Get down there.

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Speaker 2
Yeah. Too much of it feels like it would give you too much of an impulse to just drop what you’re doing and always and just going, we’re going to the time of the year in the third quarter or fourth quarter where, you know, we don’t when we can get away from everything we have going on with the

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Speaker 2
association, when we can get away, we really we really try to make sure that everything’s good when we step out of the office. So right. That just for me would probably be too much of a too much of a temptation.

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Speaker 2
I think.

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Speaker 1
It is. I mean, and it will be, but especially Kentucky. I can’t get down there. Right, to check them. So we’ll see. Hopefully it works. But the perfect segue way into what we’re going to talk about for the bulk of the podcast today, that’s the association, that’s the American Hunting Lease Association.

00:10:38:18 – 00:10:57:21
Speaker 1
And what we’re doing to make things frankly easier, better and more affordable. Right. For the hunters that that use us and that our members. Yeah. So we’ve talked about the survey, quote unquote, the survey that we did. Let me just kind of reiterate a little bit what we did.

00:10:58:12 – 00:11:13:14
Speaker 1
The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service completed a survey back in 2016, published the numbers, published it, and were down 2 million hunters. Fair enough, though the report itself was not biased. It’s just a survey. And they just reported the numbers.

00:11:14:14 – 00:11:30:00
Speaker 1
The hunting industry was a little crazy, I think, in the decline. Yeah. And I’ve got a lot of thoughts on that. And we’ll do a whole podcast one day where we just talk about the survey. So this is going to be a little sneak peek into the survey, the small survey that we did and what we found

00:11:30:00 – 00:11:39:11
Speaker 1
out. One of the areas that the hunting industry believes is a problem or partially responsible is hunter access.

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Speaker 2
And this was. This is. A notion that we picked up on before we did the survey. So we went. This is just what we’ve seen online with interactions, conversations that we’ve had with a few people or just a general sentiment around access in general.

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Speaker 2
So, so going in, I think it’s important to note that going into the survey, we weren’t trying to prove or disprove anything. We just wanted to see what results we would get when it comes to Hunter access and questioning people about it.

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Speaker 1
Right. Because what we heard was and we’ve seen, you know, the National Deer Alliance, who we support, you know, great group. Yeah. We’ve had Nick Parisotto on the podcast. They’ve got a Hunter Access Committee that’s looking into this.

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Speaker 1
I don’t know of any Hunter access information that’s out there. I mean, you know, I do what everybody does. I Googled it. I look for it, right? I don’t see it. So people say, oh, hunter access a problem or Hunter access is not a problem.

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Speaker 1
How do you know?

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Speaker 2
How do we know?

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Speaker 1
You just feel like it is. You heard enough people complain about public land or this person lost their land to somebody who wanted to lease it or this land owner sold their land snake went hunting.

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Speaker 2
It’s all anecdotal and it becomes situational. A guy lost his lease to someone who wanted to pay or whatever. Landowner sold the land. Whatever the case was, a guy loses his access to property. He thinks access becomes an issue when in reality, you look at the big picture, it might not be.

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Speaker 1
That 100% right. It’s emotional. It’s an emotional response. They’re there, they’re pissed, they’re upset. You know, so people are like, oh, my gosh, well, that must be a big problem. That’s why we’re losing hunters. Now, let’s just say let’s say this not so fast.

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Speaker 1
This is back up. Let’s ask hunters what they think of the way they access their hunting ground. And then let’s report on it, plain and simple. And that’s why we did. Yeah. So yeah, the survey itself and again, I don’t want to dip into it, but the survey itself is, was very specific about how do you access

00:13:32:01 – 00:13:42:23
Speaker 1
your public or your excuse me, the way you hunt. Yeah. And then we kind of probed a little bit deeper on how do you like it? How satisfied are you? How unsatisfied are you? What would you change if you could?

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Speaker 1
And what we found out by and large was most of are pretty happy with it, whatever.

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Speaker 2
And that’s whether they’re leasing private land. They don’t private for free. They’re out in public.

00:13:53:11 – 00:13:54:07
Speaker 1
They own the land.

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Speaker 2
They own it and they hunt it. More times than not, they’re happy with their situation.

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Speaker 1
You know, overwhelming, overwhelmingly.

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Speaker 2
So I think it was pretty interesting. I know you’ve dug into the results more than I’ve even had a chance to it, so I’m kind of looking forward to your finished, finished report. And I know we’re almost to the last stage, but just everything that I’ve seen and we’ve talked about in passing makes me think exactly what

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Speaker 2
you just said. Not not so fast. Maybe there’s a different narrative here that we need to have a discussion about.

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Speaker 1
I feel like there is you know, the the obvious question is where you guys are in the leasing. Of course, you know, you’re going to survey this pro leasing. No, no, we honestly didn’t. And I can tell you this, I have better things to do than to have to take on an entire survey.

00:14:35:22 – 00:14:47:16
Speaker 1
Right. We’ve never done that, but neither does anybody else. Right. And there are associations and organizations out there with far more resources than we have that could have done this at any time. Right. Nobody did.

00:14:47:19 – 00:15:01:02
Speaker 2
And we were in a position where we had industry partners that were not we are the Hunting Lease Association. So there’s a portion, a large portion of our contacts and people that we deal with that that Dooley’s just by the nature of what we do.

00:15:01:07 – 00:15:13:17
Speaker 2
But that’s why we also made it a point to reach out to our partners in the industry and say, Hey, can we get the survey in front of your people? Because these are not leasing people. There are people who like to use an app or there are people who like a certain product and it has nothing to

00:15:13:17 – 00:15:23:15
Speaker 2
do with leasing. But these are people who hunt. So getting their opinions was more valuable, in my opinion, than, you know, even just tapping into our own database of customers.

00:15:23:15 – 00:15:41:17
Speaker 1
It certainly was. And it’s, you know, it’s it’s very telling in any business and any industry needs to know your customers. Knowing the leasing industry in particular, there has never been a nobody knows the numbers. How many acres are leased, how many people enjoy a hunting lease?

00:15:41:17 – 00:15:54:02
Speaker 1
We don’t know. One of the problems excuse me that I found was the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and their survey, they count money spent on purchasing land and leasing land in the same category.

00:15:54:14 – 00:15:55:06
Speaker 2
Totally different.

00:15:55:06 – 00:16:06:06
Speaker 1
Thing. It’s the it’s the it’s the opposite. It’s the alternative to owning your own land is leasing land. So I have you know, we would have no idea how to read into that. My guess is it’s mostly well, I don’t know.

00:16:06:06 – 00:16:07:02
Speaker 1
I mean, it would be.

00:16:07:02 – 00:16:22:04
Speaker 2
It’s almost impossible to read into that and and that statistic on its own, people can interpret it so many ways. But the minute you lump in purchasing land and owning land and leasing land, like you said, that’s it’s it’s not the same thing.

00:16:22:04 – 00:16:32:08
Speaker 2
It’s leasing is the alternative because not everybody is in a position, you know, like you said, yourself included, to own and maintain a piece of property. So so you lease.

00:16:32:17 – 00:16:44:09
Speaker 1
Right. You know, and I will continue to lease, you know, I’m thrilled with the with the process, obviously. But but frankly, we lease a piece of ground. Two years ago, it sucked.

00:16:44:11 – 00:16:44:21
Speaker 2
Sucked.

00:16:45:02 – 00:16:55:08
Speaker 1
It wasn’t worth a darn. Yeah. You know, and yeah, that’s that’s unfortunate. But I mean, I’ve had bad meals. I’ve had bad I’ve had all kinds of bad experiences. Right?

00:16:55:16 – 00:17:08:06
Speaker 2
I think that’s just taken a true, you know, objective look at what happened in that situation with us and going, that’s not a symptom of leasing being a bad thing. It well, it could be it could be a number of different things.

00:17:08:06 – 00:17:15:13
Speaker 2
It was maybe we were in the wrong location. Maybe the land owner wasn’t easy to work with. Maybe I didn’t communicate. And whatever the case is, none.

00:17:15:13 – 00:17:16:02
Speaker 1
Of those are true.

00:17:16:02 – 00:17:27:07
Speaker 2
By the way, I know I’ve just given examples, but I’m just I’m just saying there are other factors that go into why that. Such a specific situation didn’t work for that group of hunters. And that doesn’t mean it’s a leasing issue.

00:17:28:11 – 00:17:42:21
Speaker 1
Correct. Yeah. And we just got out of it. Right. And I think so far, my my process when it comes to leasing is to lease for a year. And then if I don’t like something, then I kind of back either look for something new.

00:17:42:21 – 00:17:49:09
Speaker 1
Yeah, but I never jump into a lease and plant food plots and hang dozens of stands and like, let’s just check it out for a year.

00:17:49:09 – 00:17:54:19
Speaker 2
That’s why we’re doing that. We’re just now starting to dabble in that this year because this is our second year on the property. So.

00:17:54:19 – 00:18:07:16
Speaker 1
Exactly. So one of the other things and I’ll talk about decline briefly is that there was the survey from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service said that we lost 2 million ish hunters and it was 2.1 or something like that.

00:18:08:07 – 00:18:26:03
Speaker 1
What they what they reported in the body of the report, but not in the numbers, is that 1.5 million kids under the age of 16 went hunting. So to me now just just that in particular that says, well, yeah, we lost 2 million at the top, right?

00:18:26:03 – 00:18:40:07
Speaker 1
But we gained 75% of that are coming back. Right. So, you know, I don’t want to I love the recruitment stuff. I’m all for it. I think it should happen anyway. But I think we should recruit quality hunters.

00:18:41:04 – 00:18:44:10
Speaker 1
You know, not done that. Quality’s the wrong word. I know what you mean.

00:18:44:12 – 00:18:45:06
Speaker 2
I know what you mean.

00:18:45:06 – 00:18:46:06
Speaker 1
Responsible hunters.

00:18:46:09 – 00:18:56:00
Speaker 2
And, you know, I also think that I just kind of lost my train of thought. But I also think that that number, the way you described it, when you start talking about 2.1 million, that’s that’s a big number.

00:18:56:06 – 00:19:13:03
Speaker 2
There’s like a shock value that gets put on that. Because the way I as simple as I think I go, if I could put 2 million people in a room and say the all these people are not hunting anymore, of course, are going to be like, wow, that’s that’s a ton.

00:19:13:03 – 00:19:22:14
Speaker 2
I mean, we obviously have an issue here. This many people are falling out, but we’ve basically recouped it in youth hunting. And then we still have a core group of people who are going to continue to hunt their entire lives.

00:19:22:14 – 00:19:37:06
Speaker 2
So just hearing the 2 million number, naturally you’re going to be like, wow, maybe we have an issue here. But like we’ve been saying a million times, maybe we don’t maybe maybe everything isn’t isn’t as catastrophic as it as a big number like that would suggest.

00:19:37:06 – 00:19:47:00
Speaker 1
No. And I’ll tell you where my my mind is going with this again, will continue some other time. But I don’t want hunters more hunters around us on our lease.

00:19:47:00 – 00:19:53:03
Speaker 2
That’s an interesting conversation that I definitely I don’t think this podcast I think it probably needs its own dedicated.

00:19:53:10 – 00:20:07:12
Speaker 1
It does time so yeah if you’re listening or watching chew on this for a little bit. Yeah. And then think about, you know, on the next podcast we talk about this and probably be the next one. If you ask anybody in the hunting industry, Do we need more hunters?

00:20:07:16 – 00:20:21:23
Speaker 1
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. We need more. It’s nine. Okay. What do you want, more hunters on your property or on the property surrounding your own? Oh, no, no, no, no. I don’t want anymore. Okay, well, you can’t have them both.

00:20:21:23 – 00:20:36:07
Speaker 2
You know, it’s interesting. I feel like and I brought this up when we did the survey, I had one of the questions on there was, you know, a couple of the questions relate to how do you view hunting and how do you currently and why are you passionate about it?

00:20:36:15 – 00:20:49:10
Speaker 2
And then what do you see the future of hunting be being? And you know, the way some of these guys answered overwhelmingly, they all said they want it to pass on from generation to generation and grow and more hunters.

00:20:49:18 – 00:21:05:22
Speaker 2
My my first thing is land’s a finite resource. Sure, we’re not making any more of it. So there’s going to be an inflection point where you just you can’t have any more hunters unless you’re willing to have a different hunting experience personally, because the more bodies you put out there.

00:21:06:20 – 00:21:09:06
Speaker 2
It’s just going to change. It’s going to change its.

00:21:09:06 – 00:21:23:19
Speaker 1
Game, too. It’s there’s a limited amount of game, right? You know, every state manages their herd, their deer herd if you talk about deer. Right. And so there’s there’s not that many running around. And you got one particular buck running around your area.

00:21:24:08 – 00:21:25:16
Speaker 1
You don’t want more hunters. Right.

00:21:25:21 – 00:21:47:00
Speaker 2
And I don’t you know, and I don’t think I want to make this very clear. I don’t think saying that or acknowledging that is an elitist attitude. It’s not. I mean, that’s just the reality of the situation, because most most guys in a public setting would say, I obviously, I want the the sport of hunting to grow

00:21:47:00 – 00:22:01:05
Speaker 2
and continue and stay healthy. That’s true. Same for me. But if I’m being 100% honest, would I be thrilled if three or four hunters set up on the treeline of our property next to us? No, I. I wouldn’t like that.

00:22:01:16 – 00:22:16:22
Speaker 1
That’s the problem with county licenses, which is how they got the number, how many licenses were sold. So if you take a hunter who, by the way, who has every right to do this, but he’s just going on opening day of shotgun season or rifle season, and he goes and buys a tag and a license and he

00:22:16:22 – 00:22:28:08
Speaker 1
goes and sits on the stump and, you know, doesn’t see anything or maybe kills a doe or whatever. Yeah. And then he’s done hunting again. He’s done for the year. So what you want I mean, is that who we’re trying to recruit into the sport?

00:22:28:13 – 00:22:39:18
Speaker 1
Is that person going to pass on the tradition? Is he going to carry the flag for hunting? Probably not. No. He just wants some venison, right? Well, again, it’s his or her, right? I have no problem with that.

00:22:40:09 – 00:22:55:10
Speaker 1
But as an industry, I feel like we’re better off recruiting hunters that are going to be more engaged in the industry and in the sport. And so I think there’s probably a number of hunters that we should be happy with.

00:22:55:10 – 00:23:07:03
Speaker 1
And I’ve told you this before. The only reason hunting industry people want more hunters is why money? They have something to sell. Yeah, I’ve got a product and I want more people to buy it. That’s why I want more hunters.

00:23:07:04 – 00:23:13:07
Speaker 1
Right. And that there’s some that want that. They are concerned about the sport 100%. And I dig it. I’m not. That’s not what we’re talking about.

00:23:13:07 – 00:23:30:02
Speaker 2
But the end of it. At the end of the day, a guy making, you know, sent proof clothing. The bigger the market is, the more opportunity he’s going to have. And that’s just business. And I get that. But, you know, there’s a lot of nuance that goes into this conversation, and I can feel this going down the

00:23:30:02 – 00:23:50:19
Speaker 2
rabbit hole. But, you know, the last thing I’ll say about it is the guys who are hunting and we’ve talked about the held, the perception is access may be the issue. Maybe maybe it’s just an unwillingness to understand or or update your mindset to what it takes to get that access.

00:23:51:03 – 00:24:09:16
Speaker 2
And I think that’s a that’s a big thing. I cannot and I’ve still not heard a good argument for this. I cannot understand. Why someone would be offended by a landowner wanting monetary compensation for access to their property.

00:24:10:06 – 00:24:11:06
Speaker 1
Well, we share that. I don’t know.

00:24:11:13 – 00:24:28:13
Speaker 2
I just I and I’ve not heard anybody yet. Give me. I’ve never heard an opinion about it. I go, Yeah, I guess that makes sense. I just it’s you use the golf analogy all the time. You’re going to buy clubs and gear and shoes and and balls and tees and all these things.

00:24:28:21 – 00:24:38:02
Speaker 2
You think you’re just going to walk out on a golf course for free and just start golfing? It does. It just doesn’t. On some level, we have to change our thinking about what it takes to get access to property.

00:24:38:11 – 00:24:49:07
Speaker 1
Okay, I think I’ve a better analogy. You ready for this? Yes. This occurred to me here about a week ago. If you ask a girl out on a date and finally that girl that you’ve dying to take out finally says yes.

00:24:49:07 – 00:25:00:04
Speaker 1
Or you got up the courage and you said, Yeah, you know, you ask her out. She’s like, Yeah, love to go. And then you go out and you get your haircut and you buy the nice looking shoes and a designer jeans and a shirt and shirt.

00:25:00:11 – 00:25:07:21
Speaker 1
You get your car all washed and wax and you’re ready to go and you go pick her up. She’s where we going like well, I can only afford McDonalds so I guess we have to go to McDonald’s, right.

00:25:07:21 – 00:25:10:13
Speaker 1
Because those, you know, I don’t know.

00:25:10:13 – 00:25:11:14
Speaker 2
Why, I don’t know why they charge.

00:25:11:14 – 00:25:21:09
Speaker 1
Me for I don’t know why they charge me so much for good food. But yeah, well yeah, because you spend all your money, you decided to spend it all on. Things didn’t really matter when it comes to showing her good time.

00:25:21:09 – 00:25:34:20
Speaker 1
Yeah. You want a second date? You’re not gonna get one. Improve the experience. Why would you spend money on everything except where the deer live? Yeah, before you. Before you do that, it doesn’t make sense to me. And I.

00:25:34:21 – 00:25:40:07
Speaker 1
And I get it. I mean, the people haven’t thought that way, but in all honesty, there they have. I mean.

00:25:40:16 – 00:25:41:14
Speaker 2
They just don’t like it.

00:25:41:15 – 00:25:42:12
Speaker 1
They just don’t like it.

00:25:42:12 – 00:25:57:08
Speaker 2
And and I feel like, as we’re saying these things out loud and I’m starting to process them, I feel like it’s going to go back to, well, you’re making it a rich man’s sport. Well, we’re already spending $40 billion a year anyways on it.

00:25:57:08 – 00:26:12:19
Speaker 2
So how much more of a rich man’s sport do you think it could possibly become? And you’ve talked about it before. The key is prioritizing what you want out of your hunting experience. Do you want high end thousands and thousands of dollars of new gear every year that you can just look cool in?

00:26:12:19 – 00:26:23:15
Speaker 2
Or do you actually want a true opportunity to hunt and hunt quality game and have how safely, safely and have private access to to property because it’s there for you.

00:26:23:15 – 00:26:28:06
Speaker 1
Yeah. And it’s really hundreds, hundreds of dollars. We’ll get you on it with a couple buddies.

00:26:28:07 – 00:26:29:03
Speaker 2
Oh, 100%.

00:26:29:04 – 00:26:41:23
Speaker 1
Get you a quality lease. Yeah, it really will. So Greg, again, great segue into what I want to talk about. Several things came out in the survey, came to light. None of them shocked me, but a couple of them were surprising.

00:26:43:05 – 00:26:56:05
Speaker 1
One of the comments that we got threads or one of the common comments was leasing is too expensive. Leasing is too expensive. It’s almost like I’m good with leasing. I can’t afford that. That’s too much.

00:26:56:10 – 00:27:04:10
Speaker 2
And I understand and I don’t mean to cut you off. I do understand in certain scenarios, there are leases. There are leases I can’t afford. You can’t afford.

00:27:04:10 – 00:27:04:16
Speaker 1
It. Right.

00:27:05:06 – 00:27:09:17
Speaker 2
Just because there are expensive leases doesn’t mean leasing is expensive.

00:27:10:05 – 00:27:10:14
Speaker 1
Correct.

00:27:10:21 – 00:27:12:04
Speaker 2
It’s you can walk into a.

00:27:12:04 – 00:27:13:06
Speaker 1
Wal-Mart and percent agree.

00:27:13:08 – 00:27:28:00
Speaker 2
You can walk into Wal Mart and buy five or $600 item or you can buy a ten or $20 item. You have options. You’re not stuck with just expensive $50 an acre leases. Those do exist.

00:27:28:00 – 00:27:42:12
Speaker 1
I go buy a 2005 F-150 right now. Suits my needs just fine. Yep. Or I can buy 2019 one for five times the price. Does exactly the same thing. Right? Exactly the same thing. So, yeah, you know, it’s all relative.

00:27:42:18 – 00:27:58:19
Speaker 1
It really is. But I wanted to address the, the, the expensive part because frankly, that’s what we do. That’s why we’re here. The American Hunting Lease Association was founded was created on the fact or the notion that we can help people.

00:27:59:19 – 00:28:14:10
Speaker 1
Access quality habitat. If you’re not you, maybe you don’t go through a broker. Maybe you buy that farm down the road, you know, for years. And, you know, so we’ve created things like the the the waste or the front porch, the front porch, the.

00:28:14:10 – 00:28:15:02
Speaker 2
Lease agreement.

00:28:15:14 – 00:28:31:04
Speaker 1
To access and privately and all that kind of stuff. In addition to that, though, and we’ve made no bones about this. Our association provides and sells a hunting lease liability insurance policy. Since I’ve been here going on six years, we’ve had to raise rates one time.

00:28:31:06 – 00:28:49:14
Speaker 1
Yeah, okay. We do everything we can to keep the price down. We do everything we can to make the process simple. And let me talk to you real quick about the cost down we have. We’ve always used and we’ve always provided a free lease agreement.

00:28:49:14 – 00:29:05:06
Speaker 1
Now, our lease agreement is, as we say, time tested hundreds of times. Somebody is like, well, I want my attorney to look at I absolutely go for look at it. If you’re in in the past, if you’d purchased a insurance policy with us, you get free use of our lease agreement.

00:29:05:14 – 00:29:19:16
Speaker 1
And by use, I mean, I mean you could print one off somewhere. But with ours, you get on and you can type in all of your information specific to your lease, your landowner, the number of hunters, the price, any special requirements that your landowner has.

00:29:19:16 – 00:29:35:22
Speaker 1
Yeah, you can hit print and you have a binding legal document that can be signed and it helps with communication and everything that has been free if you buy by insurance policy. A couple of years ago we decided to make it available to the public for $25 and that was fairly popular.

00:29:36:03 – 00:29:37:23
Speaker 1
There are people looking for that kind of a lease.

00:29:38:03 – 00:29:43:13
Speaker 2
Because it’s because it’s a it’s worth more than $25. So people are willing to pay that for it.

00:29:43:14 – 00:30:00:05
Speaker 1
It certainly is. Just a few weeks ago, we were just discussing it and. Well, let’s just make it free. Right. So our lease agreement, customizable, by the way, still is 100% free for anybody. Yeah, if you need a lease agreement.

00:30:00:08 – 00:30:15:13
Speaker 1
We are we are putting our money where our mouth is. We support leasing. We support what it does to the sport. We support what it does to preserve habitat. We support what it does to support the landowners. We’re going to make it as easy as possible.

00:30:15:13 – 00:30:20:01
Speaker 1
That lease agreement is now a standalone free product for anybody who wants it.

00:30:20:01 – 00:30:35:16
Speaker 2
On our website, it’s on our website. You can go get it. And what’s more credible than a fully customizable lawyer tested, proven, time tested lease agreement, you walk up to a landowner with a front porch kit or whatever it is.

00:30:35:23 – 00:30:49:00
Speaker 2
You say, Hey, I have this document for you that goes a long way because landowners, they just want some reassurance. You know, they’re understanding that is hunting a safe sport 100%. It’s one of the safest out there. Do things happen?

00:30:49:03 – 00:31:06:05
Speaker 2
They do. This is reality. Accidents occur. So by having some form of a lease agreement, if you choose to couple with liability insurance, all you’re doing is giving that landowner the peace of mind and allowing them to be okay with the idea of letting you access their property.

00:31:06:10 – 00:31:21:22
Speaker 2
That’s it. So should we, in my opinion, should we charge $25 for the lease agreement? I think we should, because I think it’s I think it’s worth that and more. But I’m also okay making it free and available to anybody who wants to take advantage of it because because it is so valuable.

00:31:22:03 – 00:31:28:05
Speaker 2
And I know that it can promote leasing. And that’s what we that’s what we preach. So let’s make it free.

00:31:28:14 – 00:31:41:23
Speaker 1
Absolutely. Absolutely. What’s the lease agreement do? Why is the lease agreement so important? Because it’s communication. It is a written communication. You sit down with your landowner, say, now, okay, I’ve got four guys. Is that okay? Good. It’s for people.

00:31:42:06 – 00:31:52:16
Speaker 1
It’ll never be more than four unless you’re okay. Let’s bring in our kids. Most landowners are, you know what can we hunt? What? What? And. Okay, so you don’t want us to use rifles within 300 yards of the house?

00:31:52:16 – 00:32:08:01
Speaker 1
The homestead? I get it. Yep. ATVs. Just to hang stones and retrieve game. I get it. Now, can I put your camper back there on that back 40, right. Oh, fantastic. That’s what that. So there should be no surprises in the year that you leased this property.

00:32:08:11 – 00:32:11:00
Speaker 1
You guys all worked all that out and then you signed the lease agreement.

00:32:11:03 – 00:32:25:07
Speaker 2
You know, three and a half, three half, four years ago, when I when I first started, one of the first projects you and I did was shoot a video about what makes a hunting lease successful. The first I mean, I was two weeks in at this point.

00:32:25:14 – 00:32:44:18
Speaker 2
The first thing the first line you said was it basically was communication is is key. It’s like what makes it what makes a marriage successful? The same thing that makes a honeybee successful or vice versa? It’s communication. It’s open communication, having expectations set and everybody meets those expectations and works within those guidelines.

00:32:45:11 – 00:32:46:19
Speaker 2
That’s what this lease agreement does.

00:32:46:22 – 00:33:00:07
Speaker 1
That’s exactly what it does. And we also talked in the same video, but to successfully or to complete a successful hunting lease arrangement, what do you need? You need a lease agreement and you need to address the landowners in particular assets.

00:33:00:07 – 00:33:13:06
Speaker 1
But everybody’s risk and you do that with a with an insurance policy, a hunting lease, liability insurance policy, the coverages and this if you go, you can go to Canada and buy one. You could buy one from the ATF.

00:33:13:14 – 00:33:22:16
Speaker 1
You could buy them from who else but masters or you buy from the American Hunting Lease Association. The coverages are almost identical.

00:33:23:00 – 00:33:28:07
Speaker 2
And there’s no there’s no reason in not bringing that up because anybody can see that.

00:33:28:07 – 00:33:39:16
Speaker 1
Right. And when I say almost identical, ours is a little better. Yeah, ours is. Actually, if you put your land owner on it, they’re going to be a named insured, right? It’s not an additional insured. I’m not going to get all the insurances.

00:33:39:18 – 00:33:40:11
Speaker 2
But there is a difference.

00:33:40:12 – 00:33:55:03
Speaker 1
There is a slight difference named insured. You enjoy a little bit higher level of coverage. The second thing is you’re going to have to purchase this policy. It’s a master policy. Yeah. If you if you don’t know what that is, I’ll explain it quickly.

00:33:55:03 – 00:34:09:02
Speaker 1
A master policy is one insurance policy that starts on a particular date, not your date whenever you call. They probably most of them started August one. Yeah. So you can get on and you can buy it in September or October or July, but.

00:34:09:02 – 00:34:16:18
Speaker 2
You would have to buy that August policy policy. And it’s and it is not prorated correct. And we can’t even pro rated no one can.

00:34:16:19 – 00:34:35:06
Speaker 1
Nobody can’t the association or organization you’re buying from typically has one policy and you can get on it. So I mean, you know, if you if you buy it in September, you get 11 months basically of coverage. But now what happens when you get in November or you get in January or you get in May?

00:34:35:11 – 00:34:42:13
Speaker 1
Now, it’s tricky. If I got a lease in May and I want to get on it to hang stands and I get on that last year’s August policy.

00:34:42:13 – 00:34:43:16
Speaker 2
You’re up for renewal again.

00:34:43:17 – 00:34:56:04
Speaker 1
I’m going to you got to pay full price and in three months you get paid again. Yeah. So again, we’ll put our money where our mouth is. And we’ve had a couple of policies over the last year and we for some reason I just took a little step.

00:34:56:04 – 00:35:09:00
Speaker 1
I should take them all. Now we are we have a monthly policy. So by that what I mean, it’s not last for a month, it’s good for one year. But we have a start date on a master policy starting on the first of every single month.

00:35:09:00 – 00:35:20:03
Speaker 2
Yep. So no matter. No matter when you call, if you need covers the next. The you’re only going to be missing out on a maximum of three and a half weeks, basically.

00:35:20:04 – 00:35:22:07
Speaker 1
Yeah. And if you can wait three or four days you get the whole thing. Yeah.

00:35:22:07 – 00:35:35:01
Speaker 2
If you wait three or four days, total coverage the first next month you get full coverage. And again, it’s just it’s it’s something that we decided to do. Really. You decided to do because again, why not? There’s no reason not to.

00:35:35:15 – 00:35:48:02
Speaker 2
You know, structurally for our admin team and you and me or whatever, it doesn’t change anything for us. But it’s so much more convenient for the hunter and the landowner. So why wouldn’t we do that? You know. Yeah.

00:35:48:02 – 00:35:58:11
Speaker 1
And we should have everybody, I think could they just choose not to because it is kind of a hassle. Here’s the difference between us and the groups I mentioned a minute ago. This is all we do.

00:35:58:14 – 00:35:58:21
Speaker 2
Right.

00:35:59:05 – 00:36:11:21
Speaker 1
Hunting leases is all we do. We don’t lease ground, by the way. Nope. You know, we’ve at least spotter, which you can find a lease, but that’s a free service again. But no, we promote leasing. And so to that end, this is all we do.

00:36:12:07 – 00:36:23:19
Speaker 1
We’ve got we’ve got an in-house Web development team that, hey, we you go to them say, I need this to happen right here. And we talk to our insurance partners, of course. And and they’re more than willing to help us out.

00:36:23:19 – 00:36:36:08
Speaker 1
They think it’s a great idea. So what? What? We’re left with our members now that have more options. Yep. Not only do they have more options that they they’re they’re going to get full coverage. They’re going to get a full 12 month of value from their purchase with us.

00:36:37:15 – 00:36:46:07
Speaker 1
We’re going to add up to seven landowners to add to their policy. No charge. No charge. Another free service? Yeah. Why would we do that? Because.

00:36:46:14 – 00:36:49:21
Speaker 2
Because it’s unnecessary to gouge you for excessive landowner fees.

00:36:49:22 – 00:37:03:20
Speaker 1
Exactly. That is. That is exactly right. I would add that being the Honeybees Association, we understand how important it is for landowners to participate. So we’re going to we’re going to require that they be listed as a named insured.

00:37:04:00 – 00:37:15:03
Speaker 1
If we require. We’re not going to charge you for it. Right. Hunter, back to what you said a second ago. It’s it’s touch a button. I’m not going to charge you $47, $35 or $20.

00:37:15:03 – 00:37:16:04
Speaker 2
To check a box.

00:37:16:04 – 00:37:30:01
Speaker 1
To check a box. What? It is exactly what it is. And so, you know, we’ve asked this in the ads before, why would you pay $47 or any other amount to add your landowner when we can? We’ll do it for no charge.

00:37:30:06 – 00:37:35:22
Speaker 1
Right. And and the policy prior was cheaper. So the base policy is cheaper. We’re going to charge.

00:37:35:22 – 00:37:36:23
Speaker 2
Landowners no additional.

00:37:36:23 – 00:37:50:21
Speaker 1
Fees. You can get full value. You can get a free lease agreement. And why is the coverage different? I just mentioned that. No, ours is actually better than some. Yeah, ours with with you. May NWT rf is identical.

00:37:51:00 – 00:38:08:06
Speaker 1
Yep. It’s literally identical with hunting insurance dot com. You know, ours blows theirs away. Yeah. You know, they’ve got a $1,000 med bears, a $5,000 med bay and that’s an important that’s typically that’s one of the most used benefits of our coverage.

00:38:09:09 – 00:38:13:11
Speaker 1
Why be limited to 1000? For no reason. For no reason. Yeah. You know.

00:38:13:13 – 00:38:21:11
Speaker 2
Just because they don’t want to say that that person selling that policy just doesn’t care enough to want to give you the best buy.

00:38:21:11 – 00:38:22:11
Speaker 1
Go to their carrier. Yeah.

00:38:22:17 – 00:38:38:12
Speaker 2
You know, it’s it’s I had these moments when we, when we talk about hunting lease insurance, where this is what we do every day and we’re passionate about this. I can understand why this might come across as dry to some people, but I think you and I are kind of fired up about it because we’re looking at

00:38:38:18 – 00:38:52:22
Speaker 2
everything that we’ve done and everything our competitors are doing, or I should say, not doing. And like you said, you kind of take it personal when someone buys an insurance policy from somewhere else just because, you know, you talk about time investment, cost investment.

00:38:54:15 – 00:39:09:14
Speaker 2
Nobody nobody’s beating us. And we’ve done that intentionally because the goal is to promote leasing. So why would buying insurance, why would we make that a hurdle in that process? It just doesn’t make any sense. So, you know, I, I don’t know I don’t know where I’m going with it.

00:39:09:14 – 00:39:18:07
Speaker 2
I just feel like. This is the platform we’re using now to explain some of the details that go into why this.

00:39:18:07 – 00:39:28:01
Speaker 1
Platform in of itself costs us money. Right. But that’s okay. It doesn’t cost the members money, doesn’t cost you anything to download it. We want to bring value to you.

00:39:28:04 – 00:39:34:18
Speaker 2
Maybe we should put a check box. We should. We should raise our rates 30 bucks on every policy and it will funnel into making the podcast.

00:39:35:02 – 00:39:49:14
Speaker 1
Yeah, that’s a great idea. Let’s back up. I want to talk about the couple of organizations that we that we mentioned. Well, first of all, as may I, I, we are not in any way, shape or form A.Q. DMA, and we think everybody should be a member.

00:39:49:14 – 00:40:05:05
Speaker 1
Yeah. And so to that end, I would recommend that you purchase your hunting lease liability insurance from us. You’ll be saving roughly $75 on their minimum. Yeah. And then take some of the 35 from that 75 and joint Q2.

00:40:05:05 – 00:40:05:14
Speaker 1
You may.

00:40:05:15 – 00:40:19:02
Speaker 2
The point is I understand brand loyalty, but I also understand, you know, cost management too and expenses and things like that. Just the money. I mean, it literally just doesn’t make. I just I don’t know. I don’t get it.

00:40:19:10 – 00:40:23:06
Speaker 2
But maybe it’s because I’m too close to it. And I do. And I see, you.

00:40:23:06 – 00:40:39:07
Speaker 1
Know, you’re right. We this is what we do. So we do get, you know, fired up. It’s a little personal to us. But, hey, I’m like, I apologize for that. Now, you know, if as a honey industry, if we’re all in this to to to recruit hunters, then we should all be in it to make it easier

00:40:39:07 – 00:40:46:11
Speaker 1
, more affordable to to enter the sport. Is everybody doing their part? We are. That’s all we can control.

00:40:46:11 – 00:41:04:04
Speaker 2
That’s that’s my my biggest takeaway is I think we get fired up about this just because we understand how much work has gone in to be able to set up our structure like this and to be able to offer these things and keep our insurance costs down and not have hidden fees and not have additional charges.

00:41:04:11 – 00:41:16:12
Speaker 2
There’s there’s a lot that goes into that. There’s a lot of negotiation you have to do with our insurance partners. There’s a lot of work that goes into our Web team that has to develop the online process. Our marketing team, the guys to put out the messaging out there.

00:41:16:23 – 00:41:25:21
Speaker 2
There’s a lot of moving parts that go into it. And, you know, we’re just proud of what we’re doing that at the end of the day, I think that’s what it is. So I’m not ashamed to talk about it.

00:41:25:21 – 00:41:36:15
Speaker 2
And, you know, we’ve never really mentioned any competitors by name before. I think we’re just kind of having one of those days where it’s just like, Yeah, hey, what’s going on here?

00:41:36:16 – 00:41:51:12
Speaker 1
Right. Let’s just let’s have the conversation. So enough about the hunting lease insurance. Let’s let’s we’ll wrap things up here in the next ten or 12 minutes. Yeah. Let’s talk about the trade show. We’re going to the Texas Trophy Hunters Trade Show in Fort Worth, Texas, in two, three weeks.

00:41:51:12 – 00:42:08:13
Speaker 1
Two or three weeks. August 9th through the 11th trade show, season four. The hunting industry is January, February, March. It doesn’t work for us. You know, most of our most of our members join or purchase policies or do any of that work in July and August.

00:42:08:13 – 00:42:20:16
Speaker 1
Yeah. So to go to go to a trade show and spend a bunch of money, it doesn’t it just doesn’t make sense. And, you know, that’s just an expense. Frankly, as members, you don’t want to spend it because, you know, we’re trying to keep expenses down.

00:42:21:21 – 00:42:33:06
Speaker 1
Texas is a big state for us. Yep. Hunt clubs, guides and outfitters all down in Texas. We just we do a lot of business. We go, man. Yeah. So, yeah, we’re going to be there August 9th through the 11th.

00:42:34:00 – 00:42:42:14
Speaker 1
Please come by. We’re in Booth F 920. If you remember that you come by our booth mentioned the podcast. I will give you a hat. Yeah. Seem fair.

00:42:42:21 – 00:42:50:19
Speaker 2
Yeah, I think that’s more than fair. Yeah. And I still got to get my hands on a cowboy hat to sport at the show, too. I know you think I’m probably joking, but I’m not.

00:42:51:04 – 00:42:51:22
Speaker 1
I think you’re kidding.

00:42:52:07 – 00:42:52:14
Speaker 2
Okay.

00:42:53:08 – 00:42:53:20
Speaker 1
I’ve seen you.

00:42:53:21 – 00:42:55:00
Speaker 2
Baseball hat. Yeah.

00:42:55:03 – 00:42:57:00
Speaker 1
They don’t make flap build, you know.

00:42:57:13 – 00:43:00:02
Speaker 2
Cowboy hat do. I’m good. Rocking the traditional style.

00:43:00:12 – 00:43:04:01
Speaker 1
All right. What else we got? You give ways. You can talk about that.

00:43:04:02 – 00:43:10:20
Speaker 2
Sure. Everybody who purchases a honey least insurance policy here until. What did we decide? The end of July.

00:43:11:05 – 00:43:11:20
Speaker 1
At least.

00:43:11:20 – 00:43:17:06
Speaker 2
At least through the end of July. So every Friday, Bobby will come into your office and do a live stream.

00:43:17:14 – 00:43:19:22
Speaker 1
And we have Facebook on Facebook.

00:43:19:22 – 00:43:32:07
Speaker 2
And we had Bob, one of our Web developers, create a cool little gadget where literally you just hit a button and it randomly picks a name of someone who’s purchased a policy this year. Right. And we send them Eddie.

00:43:32:07 – 00:43:34:01
Speaker 2
I mean, it’s as simple as that.

00:43:34:01 – 00:43:37:04
Speaker 1
Yeah, right there. It’s if you’re watching. It’s a hopper to.

00:43:37:11 – 00:43:37:23
Speaker 2
Hopper to.

00:43:37:23 – 00:43:49:21
Speaker 1
30 something yeti real quick because from the day I got here, an email was all it took. And, you know, explain to them what our mission was, what we’re attempting to do, what’s important to us, what our vision was.

00:43:50:01 – 00:43:51:03
Speaker 1
And they were on board a meeting.

00:43:51:03 – 00:43:53:08
Speaker 2
Year after year, unwavering support from those guys.

00:43:53:08 – 00:43:56:13
Speaker 1
Right. And, you know, we they took a little guff last year.

00:43:57:12 – 00:43:58:10
Speaker 2
We stood up for it.

00:43:58:17 – 00:44:01:09
Speaker 1
Yes, we stood up for them because they’ve been here for us.

00:44:01:09 – 00:44:04:21
Speaker 2
We’ve lost some customers over that to do good.

00:44:05:07 – 00:44:10:19
Speaker 1
We don’t need them if that’s what they’re going to leave us over, something like that, which it was minimal, but it.

00:44:10:19 – 00:44:11:11
Speaker 2
Was minimal.

00:44:11:12 – 00:44:17:16
Speaker 1
But we know the guys and Yeti, we know what they stand for and it’s all good with them. Yeah. So we appreciate Yeti tremendously.

00:44:17:16 – 00:44:18:09
Speaker 2
100%.

00:44:18:19 – 00:44:21:07
Speaker 1
So. Good deal, Bobby. I think for us.

00:44:21:18 – 00:44:34:18
Speaker 3
I do? Yeah. I got something for you. So I came across this article yesterday about some, like, celebrities that you might not know. Hunter Okay. And I was looking through the list. I’m like, Oh, you know what? I didn’t know these these people hunted.

00:44:34:18 – 00:44:45:09
Speaker 3
So I figured I’d pull a few for you guys and then added a few on here and see if you guys can figure out which ones do and do not do and do not. So I added a few that that I know done.

00:44:45:10 – 00:44:46:09
Speaker 2
So there’s some there’s some.

00:44:46:09 – 00:44:48:08
Speaker 3
There are some fake ones in here. So I’m going.

00:44:48:08 – 00:44:52:05
Speaker 1
To. Lady Gaga. I don’t think she does even knows your meat dress.

00:44:54:20 – 00:44:58:08
Speaker 3
All right. So here goes one. We got Karl Malone.

00:44:58:11 – 00:44:59:23
Speaker 2
The basketball Karl Malone.

00:45:00:07 – 00:45:01:05
Speaker 3
I think he hands.

00:45:02:04 – 00:45:03:17
Speaker 2
I don’t think so, man.

00:45:03:17 – 00:45:07:14
Speaker 1
Absolutely. No way. Yeah, he’s from Utah. He’s a big old farm boy.

00:45:07:14 – 00:45:09:17
Speaker 3
Yeah, he. He does. He was on the level.

00:45:09:17 – 00:45:10:12
Speaker 2
I figured you’d be too old.

00:45:10:13 – 00:45:14:11
Speaker 1
Also, by the way, if sit next to Karl Malone, he’s not seven foot guys, only 611.

00:45:14:12 – 00:45:15:04
Speaker 2
It doesn’t matter.

00:45:15:07 – 00:45:16:20
Speaker 1
Giant human beings, after.

00:45:16:20 – 00:45:19:07
Speaker 2
After you get over like six, nine. It’s all the same.

00:45:19:16 – 00:45:24:07
Speaker 1
He’s the largest human being I’ve ever stood next to. And he just because I mean, just what he’s why these monkeys.

00:45:24:15 – 00:45:33:16
Speaker 2
I got I got courtside seats to a Spurs Pacers game one year when Duncan was still in the league. Yeah, uh, that’s. I’ve never seen anything like that. Would you want to.

00:45:33:16 – 00:45:34:04
Speaker 1
Be that tall?

00:45:34:04 – 00:45:34:18
Speaker 2
No.

00:45:34:19 – 00:45:36:02
Speaker 1
Oh, my God. I’d do it in a minute.

00:45:36:03 – 00:45:44:07
Speaker 2
No way, man. I don’t mean this disrespectful. You’re a freak show at that point, and I don’t want people staring at me all the time, so.

00:45:45:03 – 00:45:45:15
Speaker 1
Fair enough.

00:45:45:21 – 00:45:49:21
Speaker 3
All right. So I’ve also this one should be an easy one. Chris Pratt.

00:45:49:23 – 00:45:53:08
Speaker 2
Yeah, that’s. Yeah, he did the whole thing where he only he yeah.

00:45:53:08 – 00:46:00:21
Speaker 3
He’s taken some heat for, for how much he’s a. He’s kind of pro hunting. He’s taken some heat online. I’ve seen that. Yeah, but only because.

00:46:00:21 – 00:46:18:17
Speaker 2
Only because, you know, when. When you’re a celebrity in a place like California and you’re one of the bigger ones, I think there’s I think there’s a notion that you should just be liberal and against anything that would traditionally be conservative ideal, which I don’t know if hunting is, but I think people associate it with conservative ideals

00:46:18:17 – 00:46:31:05
Speaker 1
. More snowflakes, more than normal. Here you go. This real quick. Mhm. One of my daughters went on a mission trip to Africa a few years ago. She started her own little podcast not long ago. I said, you should.

00:46:31:05 – 00:46:42:22
Speaker 1
She mentioned this. She went to Africa and I said, Yeah, but she didn’t mention what it was, what you did there. And she’s like and she’s like, People frown now on people going to Africa to help. It’s like they think it’s just kind of a buzz.

00:46:42:22 – 00:46:44:10
Speaker 2
Like, grandstanding. And I’m like.

00:46:44:18 – 00:46:52:02
Speaker 1
Yeah, that’s for Africa. On a mission to help orphans. It’s and people are are looking down on you for that.

00:46:52:06 – 00:46:55:09
Speaker 2
It’s it’s unfortunate but it’s you know it’s true.

00:46:55:12 – 00:46:57:11
Speaker 1
Yeah that’s nuts. Later on.

00:46:57:13 – 00:47:02:01
Speaker 3
You should know this one. Sean. Eddie Vedder. Is he a hunter? No, I.

00:47:02:01 – 00:47:03:21
Speaker 2
Don’t think Eddie Vedder, huh? No. Does he.

00:47:03:22 – 00:47:05:20
Speaker 3
Know? He does not know. No, he is not.

00:47:05:22 – 00:47:07:13
Speaker 1
That’s too bad, though, because I do contain it.

00:47:08:12 – 00:47:09:19
Speaker 3
All right, here’s here’s one.

00:47:10:07 – 00:47:11:05
Speaker 2
We disagree about that.

00:47:11:05 – 00:47:15:03
Speaker 3
But how about Jewel, the singer Jewel? Oh.

00:47:16:07 – 00:47:20:00
Speaker 2
I don’t know anything about Jewel. So she’s a.

00:47:20:01 – 00:47:28:03
Speaker 1
No, she’s married to a rodeo guy. Some would say she does, but I can’t get past like you said, Eddie Vedder can’t sing. I just blacked out.

00:47:29:20 – 00:47:32:11
Speaker 3
Jewel does. She does? Yes. And actually.

00:47:32:12 – 00:47:34:14
Speaker 2
She hunts or she has hunted with her husband.

00:47:35:00 – 00:47:36:22
Speaker 3
No, she grew up hunting. Oh, okay.

00:47:37:02 – 00:47:38:05
Speaker 2
So perfect.

00:47:38:05 – 00:47:42:02
Speaker 3
I am assuming she probably still does, but nice. Yes. She grew up.

00:47:42:02 – 00:47:44:07
Speaker 2
Are you are you going to have, like, pictures and stuff? Yeah.

00:47:44:08 – 00:47:45:21
Speaker 1
Okay. Well, to reach out to these people, by.

00:47:45:21 – 00:47:46:06
Speaker 2
The way, I’d be.

00:47:46:11 – 00:47:47:15
Speaker 1
Happy to do it. Yeah.

00:47:47:16 – 00:47:48:13
Speaker 3
Good draw down here.

00:47:48:21 – 00:47:54:07
Speaker 2
Well, Jaws is going to be like, no, you’re an idiot, because why would you assume? I don’t. I don’t know. I just. I don’t know.

00:47:54:15 – 00:47:57:11
Speaker 3
All right. Here’s another Tom Brokaw, the.

00:47:57:20 – 00:47:58:07
Speaker 2
No.

00:47:59:04 – 00:48:01:05
Speaker 1
I don’t believe all that.

00:48:01:06 – 00:48:03:08
Speaker 3
He also he actually does.

00:48:03:18 – 00:48:06:08
Speaker 1
He is calls on him. You’re not going to do the.

00:48:06:08 – 00:48:09:16
Speaker 2
Ticker thing with how many we get, right or wrong? No dollar bill at this point.

00:48:09:19 – 00:48:10:03
Speaker 1
Okay.

00:48:10:16 – 00:48:13:09
Speaker 3
All right. Okay. Here’s an easy one for you, Ricky Gervais.

00:48:14:17 – 00:48:15:21
Speaker 1
Oh. Oh, man.

00:48:16:05 – 00:48:17:08
Speaker 2
No, he definitely doesn’t.

00:48:17:09 – 00:48:18:16
Speaker 1
Okay, I’ll say no.

00:48:18:16 – 00:48:21:23
Speaker 2
But no, he’s so. He’s the most outspoken.

00:48:21:23 – 00:48:22:13
Speaker 1
Oh, he is.

00:48:22:17 – 00:48:22:23
Speaker 2
Yeah.

00:48:23:00 – 00:48:24:08
Speaker 3
Yeah, he’s a yeah. Yeah.

00:48:24:09 – 00:48:25:16
Speaker 2
But he’s he wears leather.

00:48:25:18 – 00:48:27:13
Speaker 1
But yeah. But he’s a Republican, conservative Republican.

00:48:27:14 – 00:48:28:07
Speaker 2
He wears leather.

00:48:28:07 – 00:48:32:18
Speaker 3
And I think he’s mostly against trophy hunting, but also he just doesn’t like hunting and. Yeah, but.

00:48:32:18 – 00:48:34:20
Speaker 2
That’s a slippery slope because it becomes true.

00:48:34:22 – 00:48:40:21
Speaker 1
Varying degrees of kill him. Right. An animal. You did or you did. And, you know, we can get into what’s a trophy, so.

00:48:42:01 – 00:48:45:14
Speaker 3
All right. And then the last one here for you is Eva Longoria.

00:48:46:15 – 00:48:53:11
Speaker 1
Oh. Lived in San Antonio. Spurs spurned wife of an NBA player.

00:48:54:18 – 00:48:55:06
Speaker 2
No.

00:48:55:19 – 00:48:57:01
Speaker 1
Hold on, hold on.

00:48:58:03 – 00:49:00:21
Speaker 2
No, he’s trying to trick us. He’s giving us all these names.

00:49:00:22 – 00:49:04:09
Speaker 1
Hold on. As Evan Longoria, the place baseballs make me a ham.

00:49:04:14 – 00:49:05:15
Speaker 2
I don’t know who he’s married to.

00:49:06:08 – 00:49:08:11
Speaker 1
He’s married me a ham. He’ll know.

00:49:09:12 – 00:49:11:17
Speaker 3
You think the brother and sister named Evan and even.

00:49:12:17 – 00:49:13:19
Speaker 1
I think she does.

00:49:13:22 – 00:49:15:06
Speaker 2
Know. I’m to say no, because.

00:49:15:14 – 00:49:16:06
Speaker 1
I think he.

00:49:16:08 – 00:49:19:09
Speaker 2
His condition us. He knew I would say no to all these things.

00:49:19:10 – 00:49:21:20
Speaker 1
Ended in a hunting podcast. On some he doesn’t hunt.

00:49:23:00 – 00:49:32:13
Speaker 3
Ready? Yes. Yes, she definitely does. Really? She was quoted in an interview saying that she can she could do anything from a rabbit, a snake to a deer.

00:49:32:14 – 00:49:33:01
Speaker 2
That’s awesome.

00:49:33:01 – 00:49:34:17
Speaker 3
You don’t get all those. You know.

00:49:34:17 – 00:49:52:05
Speaker 2
What? Actually, I like about this game now is. Is something I should know. But don’t don’t don’t judge a book by its cover. Really? That’s what it is. And it’s nice that there are people of that stature, of that status in the public eye who are pro hunting.

00:49:52:06 – 00:50:00:09
Speaker 2
It’s good to have people on your team. So, no, I’m encouraged by that. Actually, I sucked at that game, but I’m encouraged overall.

00:50:00:12 – 00:50:01:06
Speaker 1
You’re better. A lot of.

00:50:01:06 – 00:50:06:22
Speaker 3
Those are tricky. I when I was going through the list, I was like, Oh, I would have never guessed that, but you’re right on that.

00:50:07:13 – 00:50:19:07
Speaker 1
All righty. That’s all I got. Man, if you’re going out over the this coming weekend or in the next couple of weeks, please be safe. Yep. Be smart. We want you to get to hunting season. We’ll come back with a podcast here probably next week.

00:50:19:14 – 00:50:36:04
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